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No reporting capabilities of transfers. No budgeting capabilities for transfers.Agreed, this is pretty much the last thing I need to have all of my budgets and accounts worked out on Quicken for Mac. The new(-ish) loans feature has been awesome, but its ultimate utility is significantly reduced if I can't see payments to my loans in my monthly budget!
I hope that this is something the team can add "easily" as all of the underpinnings to support this are there already for other account types.
I agree with your comments about Quicken Mac development. With the slow pace of development for the Mac, especially for basic, essential budgeting capabilities, one has to wonder about their commitment to the Mac platform. I really want to use Quicken Mac. But for now, I use a virtual machine to run Quicken for Windows, the only thing I use that VM for. I'm considering alternatives.Agreed, this is pretty much the last thing I need to have all of my budgets and accounts worked out on Quicken for Mac. The new(-ish) loans feature has been awesome, but its ultimate utility is significantly reduced if I can't see payments to my loans in my monthly budget!
I hope that this is something the team can add "easily" as all of the underpinnings to support this are there already for other account types.
Considering that Quicken for Mac was just about dead a few years ago (remember the Quicken 2007 mess?) and has always been wildly underserved compared to Windows, I think the new team has done a great job bringing it back from the ashes.Agreed, this is pretty much the last thing I need to have all of my budgets and accounts worked out on Quicken for Mac. The new(-ish) loans feature has been awesome, but its ultimate utility is significantly reduced if I can't see payments to my loans in my monthly budget!
I hope that this is something the team can add "easily" as all of the underpinnings to support this are there already for other account types.
Good point on the Mac development effort, which was likely large after years of neglect by Intuit. It could be a matter of prioritizing development, with migration activities taking a priority as Mattyv123 says. But Quicken began separating from Intuit late last year, and we've gone through previous years of Quicken for Mac updates without this fundamental, essential budgeting capability.Agreed, this is pretty much the last thing I need to have all of my budgets and accounts worked out on Quicken for Mac. The new(-ish) loans feature has been awesome, but its ultimate utility is significantly reduced if I can't see payments to my loans in my monthly budget!
I hope that this is something the team can add "easily" as all of the underpinnings to support this are there already for other account types.
It's my understanding HS converts your mac HD to APFS automatically but not any external drives. So Quicken 2007 must be living with APFS.on my main internal HD. It does hiccup when I do a backup to an external HD but no worries so far.How can Quicken for Mac omit a loan transfer in a budget? If you transfer a mortgage loan payment, there is no way to track that in a budget?
How useful is a budget if it does not reflect your cashflow?
I just discovered this as I was finishing my conversion to Quicken for Mac 2017 from Quicken Windows. And now it is refund time.
A very simple way to check is to do a Get Info on your hard drive and see what formatting it says, as per below. If you would please check and let us know, that would be appreciated.How can Quicken for Mac omit a loan transfer in a budget? If you transfer a mortgage loan payment, there is no way to track that in a budget?
How useful is a budget if it does not reflect your cashflow?
I just discovered this as I was finishing my conversion to Quicken for Mac 2017 from Quicken Windows. And now it is refund time.
High Sierra only automatically converts solid state drives to APFS. Fusion drives and rotating drives are NOT converted at this time. (They will be in some future update from Apple.)How can Quicken for Mac omit a loan transfer in a budget? If you transfer a mortgage loan payment, there is no way to track that in a budget?
How useful is a budget if it does not reflect your cashflow?
I just discovered this as I was finishing my conversion to Quicken for Mac 2017 from Quicken Windows. And now it is refund time.
Agree. System report says the file system is still Journaled HFS+.on internal mac HD. Disk Utility, however, offers to convert a new External drive to APFS - a USB physical volume but not older external spinning drivesHow can Quicken for Mac omit a loan transfer in a budget? If you transfer a mortgage loan payment, there is no way to track that in a budget?
How useful is a budget if it does not reflect your cashflow?
I just discovered this as I was finishing my conversion to Quicken for Mac 2017 from Quicken Windows. And now it is refund time.
@Les are you by any chance using automated backups using the QM2007 Preferences? It looks like you are still using the HFS+ drive format. Users have reported having problems with automated backsups using APFS drive format. Your feedback would be helpful.How can Quicken for Mac omit a loan transfer in a budget? If you transfer a mortgage loan payment, there is no way to track that in a budget?
How useful is a budget if it does not reflect your cashflow?
I just discovered this as I was finishing my conversion to Quicken for Mac 2017 from Quicken Windows. And now it is refund time.
I am pretty sure product manager Marcus said this would not be in Quicken Mac 2018 at the start but would be something they'd address sometime further in the future. But I don't have 2018 yet, so I can't personally confirm. I'm sure someone else will shortly.Has anyone been able to verify that the ability to include or exclude transfers in budgets exists in the new Quicken for Mac 2018?
Nope. Transfers still cancel themselves out in the budget in QM18.Has anyone been able to verify that the ability to include or exclude transfers in budgets exists in the new Quicken for Mac 2018?
Linked transfers still don't show up in reports either.Has anyone been able to verify that the ability to include or exclude transfers in budgets exists in the new Quicken for Mac 2018?
This is still the number one voted feature request here on the forum (behind the whole subscription thing). I certainly hope that product management recognizes this and prioritize accordingly.Has anyone been able to verify that the ability to include or exclude transfers in budgets exists in the new Quicken for Mac 2018?
Actually 2nd...as the loan amortization has only been partially implemented...and there are other considerations than simply # votes, though definitely influential...Has anyone been able to verify that the ability to include or exclude transfers in budgets exists in the new Quicken for Mac 2018?
Just to give the dead horse a couple more whacks, it needs to be the first stop on the road map, not "long term" as Marcus stated, since this (in)capability kneecaps budgeting and reporting without the ridiculous workarounds I and others have posted.Has anyone been able to verify that the ability to include or exclude transfers in budgets exists in the new Quicken for Mac 2018?
What can we do to get this prioritized? I'm still limping along on my Windows version.Has anyone been able to verify that the ability to include or exclude transfers in budgets exists in the new Quicken for Mac 2018?
Deal breaker! No upgrades for me until transfers can be included/excluded in budgets & reports.Has anyone been able to verify that the ability to include or exclude transfers in budgets exists in the new Quicken for Mac 2018?
Agree! I'm at a loss to understand how others can use 2017 or 2018 to create a workable budgetHas anyone been able to verify that the ability to include or exclude transfers in budgets exists in the new Quicken for Mac 2018?
Exactly! I transfer money to various savings accounts such as property taxes and homeowner's insurance monthly so when the bill comes at the end of the year the money is there. Not tracking the transfer is killing me.Just updated to quicken for Mac 2018. I can not for the life of me understand why this capability isn't included. This needs to be a priority Quicken - it's not a budget if I can't track money going to my mortgage, saving for my kids colleges, saving for my retirement. Please add this capability.
Good write-up. It does work as you describe, with one big caveat I'll mention down-post. Some months back, I and others posted some incredibly convoluted workarounds that rely on double-accounting to register transfers in QM's reports. (I use a couple of other PFMs for budgeting, so I can say little about how anything works in Quicken's budgeting module on either platform).There is a way to account for transfers in Quicken Mac 2017.
First, you'll need to make sure you have selected "Category" and "Transfer" from the "Columns" setting at the bottom of each Quickern register. You should now see the Category AND Transfer columns in the registers.
Then, you can categorize a "transfer" transaction as a "normal" category AND as a transfer.
For example, my mortgage payment amount consists of the mortgage principal and the mortgage interest.
The mortgage principal is a transfer to the mortgage loan liability account, which in turns reduces the balance there.
The way you NOW look at how Quicken Mac handles this is to put the mortgage loan account in square brackets in the category field.
INSTEAD, use the category as "Mortgage Principal" and in the transfer field put in [MyMortgageLoan]...the name of your Quicken Loan account enclosed in square brackets (or select from the drop down list).
Same for Retirement Benefits from a 401K or an IRA.
Categorize the transaction in the checking account as a category of "Retirement Benefits" AND in the transfer field put in [My401K].
In order to do this however, your Mortgage Loan account must NOT be automatically downloaded and the Bill Reminder must be turned off in the Loan settings.
Now, for the fun part.
You'll now notice that if you select the Banking Sub-Group heading, your graph and amount of cash flow is correct. There is no "incorrect" amount because before the mortgage principal amounts cancel each other and the cash flow is therefore over-inflated.
If you create a month to date or year to date report in New Reports (make sure you use NEW REPORTS by category), you can filter the accounts and categories for that report.
ONLY include your cash flow accounts...such as cash, checking and credit card accounts. DO NOT include your Mortgage Loan account or retirement accounts.
You'll notice you now have a perfect report for the actual cash flow of your funds...in and out.
Then, you can also create a budget...because instead of categorizing things as a transfer, you're categorizing them with a "normal" category and including the transfer in another field. Therefore the Mortgage Principal is now accounted for in the budget, since it's a category.
And you can still create reminders for your mortgage payment or retirement transfer to checking or whatever transfer you created...because you're categorizing the transaction as well as designating a transfer.
Try it...this works so well I'm shocked no one else has recommended this.
The only downside is that your loan is now a manual loan...and you'll need to enter the actual principal and interest amounts manually. But your amortization schedule is apparent in the loan account section, so it's easy to see what those amounts are.
Here's a screenshot of the Checking account register showing the mortgage payment split:
Notice the Category has both Mortgage Principal and Mortgage Interest...but the Transfer column is only for the Mortgage Principal amount and designates my mortgage account in Quicken.
And of course, the mortgage account shows the transfer from my checking account for the mortgage principal.
Now, as I said before, it's important in the report created to ONLY include your cash flow accounts, such as cash, checking and credit cards. If you leave ALL accounts included, the Mortgage Principal amounts will cancel each other out. But since you only use the cash flow accounts I mentioned, only "one side" of the transfer will be included.
Easy-peasy.
Thank you! I printed out your directions and will try it later today. Fingers crossed! All I wish to do was this: I borrowed $200k from an investment account to buy a house. Each month I pay the account back with a $1,500 transfer back to Edward Jones. I categorize the transfer to EJ as Mortgage Payment...but in my Budget, Mortgage Payment category always remains at zero because it's a transfer. I will try your workaround.There is a way to account for transfers in Quicken Mac 2017.
First, you'll need to make sure you have selected "Category" and "Transfer" from the "Columns" setting at the bottom of each Quickern register. You should now see the Category AND Transfer columns in the registers.
Then, you can categorize a "transfer" transaction as a "normal" category AND as a transfer.
For example, my mortgage payment amount consists of the mortgage principal and the mortgage interest.
The mortgage principal is a transfer to the mortgage loan liability account, which in turns reduces the balance there.
The way you NOW look at how Quicken Mac handles this is to put the mortgage loan account in square brackets in the category field.
INSTEAD, use the category as "Mortgage Principal" and in the transfer field put in [MyMortgageLoan]...the name of your Quicken Loan account enclosed in square brackets (or select from the drop down list).
Same for Retirement Benefits from a 401K or an IRA.
Categorize the transaction in the checking account as a category of "Retirement Benefits" AND in the transfer field put in [My401K].
In order to do this however, your Mortgage Loan account must NOT be automatically downloaded and the Bill Reminder must be turned off in the Loan settings.
Now, for the fun part.
You'll now notice that if you select the Banking Sub-Group heading, your graph and amount of cash flow is correct. There is no "incorrect" amount because before the mortgage principal amounts cancel each other and the cash flow is therefore over-inflated.
If you create a month to date or year to date report in New Reports (make sure you use NEW REPORTS by category), you can filter the accounts and categories for that report.
ONLY include your cash flow accounts...such as cash, checking and credit card accounts. DO NOT include your Mortgage Loan account or retirement accounts.
You'll notice you now have a perfect report for the actual cash flow of your funds...in and out.
Then, you can also create a budget...because instead of categorizing things as a transfer, you're categorizing them with a "normal" category and including the transfer in another field. Therefore the Mortgage Principal is now accounted for in the budget, since it's a category.
And you can still create reminders for your mortgage payment or retirement transfer to checking or whatever transfer you created...because you're categorizing the transaction as well as designating a transfer.
Try it...this works so well I'm shocked no one else has recommended this.
The only downside is that your loan is now a manual loan...and you'll need to enter the actual principal and interest amounts manually. But your amortization schedule is apparent in the loan account section, so it's easy to see what those amounts are.
Here's a screenshot of the Checking account register showing the mortgage payment split:
Notice the Category has both Mortgage Principal and Mortgage Interest...but the Transfer column is only for the Mortgage Principal amount and designates my mortgage account in Quicken.
And of course, the mortgage account shows the transfer from my checking account for the mortgage principal.
Now, as I said before, it's important in the report created to ONLY include your cash flow accounts, such as cash, checking and credit cards. If you leave ALL accounts included, the Mortgage Principal amounts will cancel each other out. But since you only use the cash flow accounts I mentioned, only "one side" of the transfer will be included.
Easy-peasy.
Thanks, this works well and it has solved my problems.There is a way to account for transfers in Quicken Mac 2017.
First, you'll need to make sure you have selected "Category" and "Transfer" from the "Columns" setting at the bottom of each Quickern register. You should now see the Category AND Transfer columns in the registers.
Then, you can categorize a "transfer" transaction as a "normal" category AND as a transfer.
For example, my mortgage payment amount consists of the mortgage principal and the mortgage interest.
The mortgage principal is a transfer to the mortgage loan liability account, which in turns reduces the balance there.
The way you NOW look at how Quicken Mac handles this is to put the mortgage loan account in square brackets in the category field.
INSTEAD, use the category as "Mortgage Principal" and in the transfer field put in [MyMortgageLoan]...the name of your Quicken Loan account enclosed in square brackets (or select from the drop down list).
Same for Retirement Benefits from a 401K or an IRA.
Categorize the transaction in the checking account as a category of "Retirement Benefits" AND in the transfer field put in [My401K].
In order to do this however, your Mortgage Loan account must NOT be automatically downloaded and the Bill Reminder must be turned off in the Loan settings.
Now, for the fun part.
You'll now notice that if you select the Banking Sub-Group heading, your graph and amount of cash flow is correct. There is no "incorrect" amount because before the mortgage principal amounts cancel each other and the cash flow is therefore over-inflated.
If you create a month to date or year to date report in New Reports (make sure you use NEW REPORTS by category), you can filter the accounts and categories for that report.
ONLY include your cash flow accounts...such as cash, checking and credit card accounts. DO NOT include your Mortgage Loan account or retirement accounts.
You'll notice you now have a perfect report for the actual cash flow of your funds...in and out.
Then, you can also create a budget...because instead of categorizing things as a transfer, you're categorizing them with a "normal" category and including the transfer in another field. Therefore the Mortgage Principal is now accounted for in the budget, since it's a category.
And you can still create reminders for your mortgage payment or retirement transfer to checking or whatever transfer you created...because you're categorizing the transaction as well as designating a transfer.
Try it...this works so well I'm shocked no one else has recommended this.
The only downside is that your loan is now a manual loan...and you'll need to enter the actual principal and interest amounts manually. But your amortization schedule is apparent in the loan account section, so it's easy to see what those amounts are.
Here's a screenshot of the Checking account register showing the mortgage payment split:
Notice the Category has both Mortgage Principal and Mortgage Interest...but the Transfer column is only for the Mortgage Principal amount and designates my mortgage account in Quicken.
And of course, the mortgage account shows the transfer from my checking account for the mortgage principal.
Now, as I said before, it's important in the report created to ONLY include your cash flow accounts, such as cash, checking and credit cards. If you leave ALL accounts included, the Mortgage Principal amounts will cancel each other out. But since you only use the cash flow accounts I mentioned, only "one side" of the transfer will be included.
Easy-peasy.
Ok, so this is not working for me. I tried by removing automatic payments and bill reminders and manually entering in entries as you recommended. I even created a new Loan account with the same results. I must be missing something...There is a way to account for transfers in Quicken Mac 2017.
First, you'll need to make sure you have selected "Category" and "Transfer" from the "Columns" setting at the bottom of each Quickern register. You should now see the Category AND Transfer columns in the registers.
Then, you can categorize a "transfer" transaction as a "normal" category AND as a transfer.
For example, my mortgage payment amount consists of the mortgage principal and the mortgage interest.
The mortgage principal is a transfer to the mortgage loan liability account, which in turns reduces the balance there.
The way you NOW look at how Quicken Mac handles this is to put the mortgage loan account in square brackets in the category field.
INSTEAD, use the category as "Mortgage Principal" and in the transfer field put in [MyMortgageLoan]...the name of your Quicken Loan account enclosed in square brackets (or select from the drop down list).
Same for Retirement Benefits from a 401K or an IRA.
Categorize the transaction in the checking account as a category of "Retirement Benefits" AND in the transfer field put in [My401K].
In order to do this however, your Mortgage Loan account must NOT be automatically downloaded and the Bill Reminder must be turned off in the Loan settings.
Now, for the fun part.
You'll now notice that if you select the Banking Sub-Group heading, your graph and amount of cash flow is correct. There is no "incorrect" amount because before the mortgage principal amounts cancel each other and the cash flow is therefore over-inflated.
If you create a month to date or year to date report in New Reports (make sure you use NEW REPORTS by category), you can filter the accounts and categories for that report.
ONLY include your cash flow accounts...such as cash, checking and credit card accounts. DO NOT include your Mortgage Loan account or retirement accounts.
You'll notice you now have a perfect report for the actual cash flow of your funds...in and out.
Then, you can also create a budget...because instead of categorizing things as a transfer, you're categorizing them with a "normal" category and including the transfer in another field. Therefore the Mortgage Principal is now accounted for in the budget, since it's a category.
And you can still create reminders for your mortgage payment or retirement transfer to checking or whatever transfer you created...because you're categorizing the transaction as well as designating a transfer.
Try it...this works so well I'm shocked no one else has recommended this.
The only downside is that your loan is now a manual loan...and you'll need to enter the actual principal and interest amounts manually. But your amortization schedule is apparent in the loan account section, so it's easy to see what those amounts are.
Here's a screenshot of the Checking account register showing the mortgage payment split:
Notice the Category has both Mortgage Principal and Mortgage Interest...but the Transfer column is only for the Mortgage Principal amount and designates my mortgage account in Quicken.
And of course, the mortgage account shows the transfer from my checking account for the mortgage principal.
Now, as I said before, it's important in the report created to ONLY include your cash flow accounts, such as cash, checking and credit cards. If you leave ALL accounts included, the Mortgage Principal amounts will cancel each other out. But since you only use the cash flow accounts I mentioned, only "one side" of the transfer will be included.
Easy-peasy.
After opening up a budget in QM (and being reminded why I despise Quicken's budgeting functions and don't use them -- I digress), first thing that jumps out is that the budget doesn't permit selecting/deselecting accounts, which is what in turn permits categorized expense transfers to show up in summary reports.There is a way to account for transfers in Quicken Mac 2017.
First, you'll need to make sure you have selected "Category" and "Transfer" from the "Columns" setting at the bottom of each Quickern register. You should now see the Category AND Transfer columns in the registers.
Then, you can categorize a "transfer" transaction as a "normal" category AND as a transfer.
For example, my mortgage payment amount consists of the mortgage principal and the mortgage interest.
The mortgage principal is a transfer to the mortgage loan liability account, which in turns reduces the balance there.
The way you NOW look at how Quicken Mac handles this is to put the mortgage loan account in square brackets in the category field.
INSTEAD, use the category as "Mortgage Principal" and in the transfer field put in [MyMortgageLoan]...the name of your Quicken Loan account enclosed in square brackets (or select from the drop down list).
Same for Retirement Benefits from a 401K or an IRA.
Categorize the transaction in the checking account as a category of "Retirement Benefits" AND in the transfer field put in [My401K].
In order to do this however, your Mortgage Loan account must NOT be automatically downloaded and the Bill Reminder must be turned off in the Loan settings.
Now, for the fun part.
You'll now notice that if you select the Banking Sub-Group heading, your graph and amount of cash flow is correct. There is no "incorrect" amount because before the mortgage principal amounts cancel each other and the cash flow is therefore over-inflated.
If you create a month to date or year to date report in New Reports (make sure you use NEW REPORTS by category), you can filter the accounts and categories for that report.
ONLY include your cash flow accounts...such as cash, checking and credit card accounts. DO NOT include your Mortgage Loan account or retirement accounts.
You'll notice you now have a perfect report for the actual cash flow of your funds...in and out.
Then, you can also create a budget...because instead of categorizing things as a transfer, you're categorizing them with a "normal" category and including the transfer in another field. Therefore the Mortgage Principal is now accounted for in the budget, since it's a category.
And you can still create reminders for your mortgage payment or retirement transfer to checking or whatever transfer you created...because you're categorizing the transaction as well as designating a transfer.
Try it...this works so well I'm shocked no one else has recommended this.
The only downside is that your loan is now a manual loan...and you'll need to enter the actual principal and interest amounts manually. But your amortization schedule is apparent in the loan account section, so it's easy to see what those amounts are.
Here's a screenshot of the Checking account register showing the mortgage payment split:
Notice the Category has both Mortgage Principal and Mortgage Interest...but the Transfer column is only for the Mortgage Principal amount and designates my mortgage account in Quicken.
And of course, the mortgage account shows the transfer from my checking account for the mortgage principal.
Now, as I said before, it's important in the report created to ONLY include your cash flow accounts, such as cash, checking and credit cards. If you leave ALL accounts included, the Mortgage Principal amounts will cancel each other out. But since you only use the cash flow accounts I mentioned, only "one side" of the transfer will be included.
Easy-peasy.
ProGolfer,There is a way to account for transfers in Quicken Mac 2017.
First, you'll need to make sure you have selected "Category" and "Transfer" from the "Columns" setting at the bottom of each Quickern register. You should now see the Category AND Transfer columns in the registers.
Then, you can categorize a "transfer" transaction as a "normal" category AND as a transfer.
For example, my mortgage payment amount consists of the mortgage principal and the mortgage interest.
The mortgage principal is a transfer to the mortgage loan liability account, which in turns reduces the balance there.
The way you NOW look at how Quicken Mac handles this is to put the mortgage loan account in square brackets in the category field.
INSTEAD, use the category as "Mortgage Principal" and in the transfer field put in [MyMortgageLoan]...the name of your Quicken Loan account enclosed in square brackets (or select from the drop down list).
Same for Retirement Benefits from a 401K or an IRA.
Categorize the transaction in the checking account as a category of "Retirement Benefits" AND in the transfer field put in [My401K].
In order to do this however, your Mortgage Loan account must NOT be automatically downloaded and the Bill Reminder must be turned off in the Loan settings.
Now, for the fun part.
You'll now notice that if you select the Banking Sub-Group heading, your graph and amount of cash flow is correct. There is no "incorrect" amount because before the mortgage principal amounts cancel each other and the cash flow is therefore over-inflated.
If you create a month to date or year to date report in New Reports (make sure you use NEW REPORTS by category), you can filter the accounts and categories for that report.
ONLY include your cash flow accounts...such as cash, checking and credit card accounts. DO NOT include your Mortgage Loan account or retirement accounts.
You'll notice you now have a perfect report for the actual cash flow of your funds...in and out.
Then, you can also create a budget...because instead of categorizing things as a transfer, you're categorizing them with a "normal" category and including the transfer in another field. Therefore the Mortgage Principal is now accounted for in the budget, since it's a category.
And you can still create reminders for your mortgage payment or retirement transfer to checking or whatever transfer you created...because you're categorizing the transaction as well as designating a transfer.
Try it...this works so well I'm shocked no one else has recommended this.
The only downside is that your loan is now a manual loan...and you'll need to enter the actual principal and interest amounts manually. But your amortization schedule is apparent in the loan account section, so it's easy to see what those amounts are.
Here's a screenshot of the Checking account register showing the mortgage payment split:
Notice the Category has both Mortgage Principal and Mortgage Interest...but the Transfer column is only for the Mortgage Principal amount and designates my mortgage account in Quicken.
And of course, the mortgage account shows the transfer from my checking account for the mortgage principal.
Now, as I said before, it's important in the report created to ONLY include your cash flow accounts, such as cash, checking and credit cards. If you leave ALL accounts included, the Mortgage Principal amounts will cancel each other out. But since you only use the cash flow accounts I mentioned, only "one side" of the transfer will be included.
Easy-peasy.