Ability for Categorization tied to Payee (QuickFill) to be acct dependent (39 Legacy/Merged Votes)

PAT
PAT Member ✭✭
I track my kids expenses while at college in Quicken.  We visit the same stores, thus when the buy something at Walmart it get catagorized into my expenses.  It would be nice if catagories could be assigned to specific accounts.  Thus their expenses at Walmart (or where ever) could be automatically catagorized separately from mine.

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Unfortunately, the amount of work this would take means that we won't consider this idea right now.

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  • UKR
    UKR SuperUser ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2018
    Tell me, Pat, how is Quicken supposed to know that yesterday's Walmart purchase was for your kids and today's Walmart purchase was for yourself?

    The only way to achieve that is by keeping your kids' accounts and transactions completely separate from your own ... but that would require that they have their own separate bank accounts and that you maintain separate Quicken data files.

    If everything is commingled in one data file and you pay for their expenses with your credit cards, the only solution is to ensure that you manually enter these transactions into the appropriate account registers using distinct payee names, e.g.,
    Walmart - self
    Walmart - John
    Walmart - Mary
    with appropriate Categories and/or Tags for each.
  • mshiggins
    mshiggins SuperUser ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2017
    Tags. What you want to use is tags to keep the expenses properly segregated. Search Quicken Help for Tags.
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  • volvogirl
    volvogirl SuperUser ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2017
    How are the transactions getting entered in Quicken? Do you download the credit card transactions or do you manually enter the receipts? Sounds like the kids use your credit card or how do they pay?
  • smayer97
    smayer97 SuperUser, Mac Beta, Canada Beta ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
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  • smayer97
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    edited August 2018
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  • Unknown
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    edited October 2018
    Just saw this because it got "bumped" by smayer97 (even though I have no idea why this has anything to do with the links he wants voted on).

    I think I know what Pat would like to achieve, but isn't really going about it the right way.
    What is really needed is renaming rules or memorized payees that can be different depending the account.

    Given that the kids are using a different credit card and as such their expenses down load into a different account than Pat's.  If you could have a renaming rule that when importing in "kids credit card account" it changes the payee Walmart - Kids.  From there you can have a memorized payee that puts it in the right category/tag.  When in other account (you would have the default be any other account) it would may be just Walmart or Walmart - mine.  And again that lines you up to use a different memorized payee.

    You could do that same thing at the memorized payee level, which might be better because it could then work that way for manual entry.

    As in both cases the payee stays at Walmart, and depending on what account it is going in, it picks the different memorized payee.
  • smayer97
    smayer97 SuperUser, Mac Beta, Canada Beta ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2019

    Just saw this because it got "bumped" by smayer97 (even though I have no idea why this has anything to do with the links he wants voted on).

    I think I know what Pat would like to achieve, but isn't really going about it the right way.
    What is really needed is renaming rules or memorized payees that can be different depending the account.

    Given that the kids are using a different credit card and as such their expenses down load into a different account than Pat's.  If you could have a renaming rule that when importing in "kids credit card account" it changes the payee Walmart - Kids.  From there you can have a memorized payee that puts it in the right category/tag.  When in other account (you would have the default be any other account) it would may be just Walmart or Walmart - mine.  And again that lines you up to use a different memorized payee.

    You could do that same thing at the memorized payee level, which might be better because it could then work that way for manual entry.

    As in both cases the payee stays at Walmart, and depending on what account it is going in, it picks the different memorized payee.

    " I have no idea why this has anything to do with the links he wants voted on...

    ...What is really needed is renaming rules or memorized payees that can be different depending the account."

    I just had similar wording added to the title. And this applies to the links because those are the 2 trigger points for the use of such a features...manual data entry and data downloading. This is how I have helped organize the many related idea posts. Of course, I have been doing this for Quicken for Mac only, and this post was flagged for both Mac and Windows. Hope that makes sense. 
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  • Unknown
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    edited March 2017
    Yes, this would be a wonderful addition to QMac, something that QWin doesn't do...

    The use case I had run into, was entering extra (not a scheduled) credit card payment.  If I enter it from my checking account it automatically set the transfer to the credit card.... but if I enter it from the credit card, it complains that I entered a transfer to the same account...interrupting my entry flow...
  • RCinNJ
    RCinNJ Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Feature request: Make autofill of transactions account specific. QM.


    I find QMs autofilling of downloaded transactions useful enough that I don't want to disable it. However, I find that it autofills the last information saved in any account and applies it to a different account. For example, if there is a withdrawal from one brokerage account and I change the description to correct an incorrect autofill, this description will be picked up the next time there is a withdrawal from any brokerage account. This makes it much less likely that the autofill will help rather than need to be corrected. 

    I think there should also be a way to choose vendors (for example, Costco, Home Depot) and transaction types not to autofill, but that is a separate request.
  • PAT
    PAT Member ✭✭
    edited January 2018
    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Suggestion to Customize Downloaded Data by Account.


    I use Quicken to track both my accounts and those of my children.  When I download income data from banks and brokerage accounts the automatic Catagory assigned is the same for all accounts for that institution.  Since I do not pay my children's taxes with mine, I must then manually change the Catagory for the downloads into their accounts.  A nice feature would be the ability to custom assign the Catagory by account, even though the download was from the same institution using the same User ID.  This would make Quicken a bit easier to use.

    Thanks.
  • RickO
    RickO SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    edited January 2018
    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Account Categories.


    I would recommend that you keep the finances of separate taxable individuals (e.g., your children) in separate Quicken files. That, in turn, would solve this issue.

    Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Suggestion to Customize Downloaded Data by Account.
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  • Rs6er
    Rs6er Member ✭✭
    edited January 2018
    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Account Categories.


    I used to do what you did, and ended up with way too many categories. Finally, I set up a separate file for my son with only categories he needed ( and my account has only categories I use.) This separate account was a pain before the latest updates which allowed the same user name for separate accounts. Now it works great.

    Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Suggestion to Customize Downloaded Data by Account.
  • smayer97
    smayer97 SuperUser, Mac Beta, Canada Beta ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Add Vote.


    Actually, the SAME idea has already been posted for the Mac version.  You can add your VOTE for the Ability for Categorization tied to Payee to be account dependent.

    First, click on the underlined link above to go there, then click VOTE at the top of THAT page, so your will vote count for THIS feature and increase its visibility to the developers by seeking to have the features you need or desire end up in the latest version.

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  • SVanDee
    SVanDee Member ✭✭
    edited November 2019
    I buy things from the same gas stations and other businesses for business or personal use with different credit cards. I wish charges from the same Payees to the different Accounts could be categorized differently.
  • NotACPA
    NotACPA SuperUser, Windows Beta Beta
    The only way to do this would be to give the payees slightly different names.  Q doesn't use Account to determine payees.
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  • JustMeHere
    JustMeHere Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2020

    There are times where you have the same downloaded payee names downloaded into two different accounts, but you need to give them different categories/tags and such.

    If a user can restrict a renaming rule to a given account (or set of accounts) then they can rename the payee based on the account and have those two or more renamed payees flow into two or more memorized payees.

    Note this request applies to all versions of quicken, ... Quicken Windows and Quicken Mac, and Quicken Canadian.

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  • UKR
    UKR SuperUser ✭✭✭✭✭
    For the record:
    There's a lengthy discussion about this Idea here:  https://community.quicken.com/discussion/comment/20066613#Comment_20066613
    I've added "Mac" to the title of this Idea post to make it easier to differentiate between Mac and Windows Ideas
  • BRETTB
    BRETTB Member ✭✭✭
    Yes by account register then to make it even more refined, by date. Why by date for those reoccurring entries with same name? This would fix almost all possible issues.

    So you have say one account where where you may pay the same vendor for a different property - Example Electric Bill different properties being paid out of the same bank account - but are paid on different dates of month.

    So Auto Name on register level>vendor>date (look at previous month recurring entry and maybe off 1 or 2 days) would be the best one can do and for whatever reason if say had pmt to same vendor, same register, same date - quicken would mark those like they do to match.
  • RCinNJ
    RCinNJ Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2020
    I'm confused by the vote button. It says "Not Planned: Unfortunately, the amount of work this would take means that we won't consider this idea right now." Feels like I'm being sad to vote for the QM team not to put any effort into this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that's the purpose, but I don't know what the QM team is supposed to take from it.

    Personally, I hate how categorizations will carry over to different accounts and I believe these should be account dependent.
  • smayer97
    smayer97 SuperUser, Mac Beta, Canada Beta ✭✭✭✭✭
    With enough votes, it may cause them to reconsider their plans. It has happened before. Of course, it is based on so many factors, many to which we do no visibility. All one can do is cast a vote to voice a desire. Which is better than some other products where not such public avenue exists.
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  • ces3001
    ces3001 Member
    I manage my family’s credit cards and bank accounts in a single quicken file, and this would DRAMATICALLY help me categorize expenses.
  • ces3001
    ces3001 Member
    I would really like this feature too. Would save me HOURS each month as I have many different credit cards and various accounts that need to categorize the same payee differently.
  • Brad1
    Brad1 Member ✭✭
    QuickFill Rules apply to a Payee, across all accounts and registers. This is problematic when there are multiple people in a household. Ideally there should be a preference for this, the default being that a QuickFill Rule for a Payee applies only WITHIN THAT ACCOUNT REGISTER. And then a preference or option to make the Rules apply Globally across all accounts. Consider this common scenario: Wife and I both get gas at local Sunoco, we use different credits cards and like to track the gas expenditures per vehicle. We always use her Visa for the HondaOdyssey, always use my MasterCard for the JeepWrangler. When I download transactions in Quicken, the Payee shows the same "Sunoco #whatever blah blah location" in each account register. I can make a QuickFill rule to automatically Categorize transactions to Auto: Gas & Fuel. I'd also like to Classify(tag) as HondaOdyssey in the Visa register BUT Classify(tag) as JeepWrangler in the MasterCard register. I see no way to do that and must manually Tag these transactions for the appropriate vehicle.
  • Quicken_Tyka
    Quicken_Tyka Alumni ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2020
    Hello Brad,

    Thank you for taking the time to visit the Community to post your request.

    Your post has been moved to the ongoing post requesting this Idea. Unfortunately, the status of the Idea is "Not Planned."

    The status is located at the top of the Idea post and is as follow:

    "Unfortunately, the amount of work this would take means that we won't consider this idea right now."

    I apologize for not having better news. 

    If you haven't already, please be sure to take a moment to review other existing Ideas on the Community and add your vote.

    https://community.quicken.com/categories/product-ideas-quicken-for-mac

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  • dave6697
    dave6697 Member
    I download transactions from different accounts which use the same name "interest". It would be great if could rename renaming rule for "interest" for each account, so that can see these in reports.

    It would be a great feature to allow renaming rule to be restricted by account for this and many other scenarios.
  • jacobs
    jacobs SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    @dave6697  Make sure you don't just comment but VOTE for ideas you want to see implemented. (You vote by finding the first post in the thread, and in the blue box under the initial post, click the little gray triangle to add your vote.) The site moderators pass on topics with higher vote totals to the development team.
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  • I’m looking for the Vote on here because this would be an awesome feature to have to automatically categorize business vs personal expenses based on the account to which they download. I can’t find the triangle to click to vote. Does the moderator response take that away? I’m using Safari my phone if that matters.
  • jacobs
    jacobs SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    @dchooker99  Scroll to the very top of this page. At the bottom of the first post, there's a large colored box where you'll see a counter (currently displaying the number 4) and next to it, it says Not Planned). Under the counter, there's a small gray triangle or arrow. Click it, and the count should increment by one. 


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  • JKLines70
    JKLines70 Member
    I'm trying to get consistency with my naming of Payee when transactions are downloaded via One Step Update. The biggest problem for me currently with this is that credit card companies use the same thing for payments ... i.e. Automatic Payment - Thank You. But I want it named the same as it is in my checkbook register ... like "Amazon Store Card Automatic Payment". If you had an optional ability to associate a rule with downloaded transactions via one account, it would eliminate this ambiguity.
  • jacobs
    jacobs SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    The developers have said (at the top of this thread, in the blue box) they are not going to implement QuickFill rules for categorization based on Account, which is what this thread is about.

    But are you just talking about changing the Payee name? That's completely different: Payee names are controlled by Renaming Rules, not QuickFill Rules. But renaming rules are based on changing a downloaded Payee name to something else -- and also aren't account-specific. 

    I'm trying to understand if this is just a semantic or aesthetic issue, or something more. If you have a transaction which a Payee name of "Automatic Payment", and a Category of "Transfer:[account name]", doesn't that clearly identify the source of the transfer for you, without putting it into the Payee name? Or am I misunderstanding what it is you want to do?
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