R31.xx - scrolling issue with new update?

ReDave

It appears that with the new update,  you can no longer use the arrow button to move up only one transaction at a time.    the button acts like clicking within the 'bar area'  and  you go up many transaction, tho not quite a page.   
thanks

prine2020

I like(d) to be able to scroll up/down by one line at a time. Following the recent update I'm scrolling by a whole page (or more) - depending on where I click.

NotACPA

I use the scroll wheel, on my mouse, to make those smaller movements.  Did so even before this update.

prine2020

I can select a line in the register and use the up/down arrow to scroll one line at a time, but I don't know why this change was made. The account scroll bar to the left of the register still scrolls one line at a time when you click on the arrows.

splasher

The scroll bars now agree with Windows normal action.  If you want to move up/down one line, use the arrow heads at the ends of the scroll bars.  Clicking in the bar will cause a move of up to one screen of data in the appropriate direction.

My Account Bar scroll bar responds the same as the register scroll bar, the arrows move one account at a time, clicking on the bar shifts the whole available distance.

Chris_QPW

Personally I like the change and think it is long overdue.

Scrollbars should look and act the same in every Windows application and certainly the same in the same application.  For years Quicken has had a mix of the old (as in back to Windows XP) and new scrollbars.  Now they are consistent.

Randy 415

Yes, major problem. It is now in production.
Arrow click will move you more than a single page of transactions. (S/b One transaction).
Click in the bar and you move multiple pages. (S/b One Page.)
This is not how standard apps work at all.

prine2020

Not the case with my Surface laptop. Account scrollbar arrow moves one line at a time. Register scrollbar arrow jumps randomly back/forward in time.

Chris_QPW

I have notice in the past that scrollbars are "interesting" in the sense that people report different behavior even just using different mice brands. I also remember posts about the the Surface laptops being "quite strange" in this regard.

I have no idea why that would be true, but that is what has been reported.

John Rocke

I don't like the change. The arrows within an account register move a whole screen at a time which I can accomplish already by clicking within the scroll bar.

The arrows should move one line (or a few lines) at a time.

wegrantjr

The arrows on the scroll bar do not work to scroll one line at a time. Currently the only way to move one line is using the key board arrow keys. Since I use a laptop, I do not use a mouse.

Quicken_Tyka

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Rocket J Squirrel

splasher said:

Clicking in the bar will cause a move of up to one screen of data in the appropriate direction.

I can't get this to work. I cannot click fast enough for the scroll bar to see a single click. It always scrolls way past one screenful of data.

There is supposed to be a short delay after the first button-down event before the scroll bar goes into continuous scroll mode. Quicken's new scroll bars lack that delay, making it impossible to scroll one screen at a time. In R30.21, the scroll bars worked correctly.

MHSwizzleStick

splasher said:

If you want to move up/down one line, use the arrow heads at the ends of the scroll bars.

I do not find this to be true in R31.5. A single click of an arrow head causes it to move an inconsitent, random number of pages up or down. This happens on my laptop with both the built-in mouse pad and an external mouse.

Chris_QPW

Rocket J Squirrel said:

splasher said:

Clicking in the bar will cause a move of up to one screen of data in the appropriate direction.

I can't get this to work. I cannot click fast enough for the scroll bar to see a single click. It always scrolls way past one screenful of data.

I can see "single clicks", but maybe you are expecting something different than I am.

I'm looking at what Quicken is doing in comparison to what other applications on Windows 10 is doing, plus remembering "how it use to be".

In the past when clicking in the bar area, it has always been my understanding that it is "proportional".

As in say that I'm at the bottom of the register then clicking on these two spots will give me two different results (neither of which is a single line). And this exactly what I see in Quicken.

With the register at the bottom and clicking here (current date at top of register 12/28/2021):

It moves where 10/15/2020 is at the top of the register.
If I click here:

It moves where 4/1/2020 is at the top of the register.

Which BTW in both cases way too much.  For the first one I would expect one or just a few lines movement.  And I would expect about a page for when I selected right under the top arrow.

And note that the arrow buttons seem to be moving at about one page.  Again that is way to fast for the arrow buttons.  One might argue if it should be a single line or "a few", but certainly it shouldn't be a whole page (this seems to be application dependent).

Now getting to what I see in other Windows applications.
None of the applications I have found are using the "proportional" method any more.
They all seem to be scrolling about the "scrollbar length" (no matter where you click in the scrollbar).
Examples:
Before:

After:


Before:


On the clicking of the arrow buttons.  In text editors seems to always be one line of text.  In MS Edge it seems to be about 5 lines.  In Excel it is one "cell".  So from what I can tell it should move by what the application considers "one unit".  In a Quicken register I think that should be one transaction line.

Note that the scroll wheel seems to "do the right thing".  I was able to change the amount of scrolling in the Windows settings and it scrolls exactly that amount of transaction lines in the register.

Chris_QPW

BTW I voted for this idea, but in truth I think it is a bug that Quicken scrolls pages with a single click on the arrow button, it should be one transaction line.

jrich75

Chris_QPW said:

I think it is a bug that Quicken scrolls pages with a single click on the arrow button, it should be one transaction line.

I agree.  As far as voting, I'm going to wait to see what the fix looks like.

splasher

When I first tested this, clicking on the arrows at the ends of the scrollbar moved the register 1 line, today though, it is jumping a whole screen.  clicking in the scrollbar jumps a bunch.
This is not what I originally experienced and is a problem.

John Rocke

I think the voting is so that Quicken will make a change if enough people ask/vote for it.

Chris_QPW

John Rocke said:

I think the voting is so that Quicken will make a change if enough people ask/vote for it.

There is a sort of gray area here.  If they intentionally changed this because some users requested it, then it is a feature request to allow for an option to allow for the old behavior.

But if it was unintentional then it is a bug and should be fixed no matter how many people vote on it.

John Rocke

Good point Chris_QPW

Quicken_Tyka

Hello all,

I have changed this from an Idea to a discussion. I apologize for the confusion.

This is currently being investigated further, I will be back with more information as soon as more details become available.

Thank you,
-Quicken Tyka

Ps56k2

Sitting here, with my FF browser - and if I click the scroll bar on the right side - the up/down arrows - the screen basically moves a couple of lines -

Same for Excel pgm -
Same for Thunderbird email pgm -

Its standard Windows screen expectation.

splasher

Hey guys, if you want to revert to R30.21, download, save and execute this patch release: https://assistant.quicken.com/patch/QW27.1.30.21MPatch.EXE

prine2020

Thanks splasher! I'm definitely reverting to R30.21.

prine2020

Ahhhhhh. R30.21 is much better. Thanks again

lawmom4

I cannot get anything to work.  I use a laptop with no mouse.  I cannot see my data at all - using scroll bar or arrow keys moves my screen too far.  I am very frustrated with this change.

CJM1

31.5 scroll changes are painful to use.   I cannot scroll up or down a single transaction, it only scrolls a full screen of transactions via using the arrows.  The old behavior was fine by just advancing the slider and some of my registers go back decades.  It is far more common for me to desire to see the prior transaction vs transaction a week or more in age.   Change back!

Jim_Harman

My experience with R31.5 is the same as @CJM1's.

in Banking registers, clicking on the up or down arrow in the scroll bar causes the screen to scroll very rapidly. This is what the "click and hold" action is supposed to do. A single click on an arrow should scroll the register by one transaction. A single click in the open area (if there is one) above or below the arrows should scroll one screen at a time.

I would call this a bug.

Investing Transaction lists work correctly.

prine2020

Has anyone tried R31.6 to see if this issue is really fixed?

John Rocke

I just installed it and was going to compliment that a fix was provided so quickly but the issue is NOT RESOLVED for me.