Placeholder entries created for fidelity brokerage downloads
Placeholder entries are created even though downloaded transactions are complete and accurate. I have to delete these errant placeholders after every download. Problem only started a few days ago. What's going on???
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Hi, @Charles267
A few questions: are these "errant" placeholders deleting your holdings so your balance is incorrect, or do they delete your current positions, and then additional placeholders add in funds with similar, albeit different names for the securities?
And, when you get the placeholders, if you immediately update again, do they disappear?
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I see these placeholders the day after I sell a stock: Day 1) buy 10 shares. Day 2) sell 10 shares, Day 3) down load transactions. The two transactions are complete and accurate. Placeholder is created on the download: "add shares" transaction adding the 10 shares back. Result: 1 buy, 1 sell, 1 placeholder, balance is 10 shares. It's as if Quicken is getting the "sell" transaction without getting an accurate share count from the institution. The placeholder only occurs after a sell and always to restore the balance to the number of shares held before the sell. I tried a second update today and the placeholder remain. Perhaps it's a timing issue. Rather than deleting the placeholders today, I will wait until after tomorrow's update to see if they remain.
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Thanks for the update, @Charles267
Since this doesn't appear to be a Security renaming issue, I, like you, question of it is a timing issue. (Fidelity is now using a different backend that can result in delayed timing issues depending on when data is acquired.)
Waiting a few days to check is ideal-especially into next week to see how it behaves after open "business days".
If that placeholder doesn't go away by Tuesday of next week, then use the Help:Report a problem to explain the situation/upload logs & files so Quicken has data to push to their data provider. They need this if there is indeed a problem. Good luck!
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After this morning's update - Placeholders seen yesterday still remain. New placeholders for securities sold yesterday, closing positions, have been added. Interestingly, sales of ETFs, also closing positions, are fine - no placeholders and share balances are correct. Positions that were trimmed, sold without closing the positions, did not trigger the placeholders. My guess is that Fidelity is reporting balances on securities held. With positions that are closed, they report nothing because nothing is held. Quicken responds with placeholders that balance the share counts back to the last count that was reported. I'll wait a few more days and updates to see if the placeholders are removed automatically.
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Also noticed that a reinvested dividend was reversed with a placeholder to return share balance to number of shares held before the reinvestment.
How do you post a bug report? Instructions on line are not clear.
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Hi, again, @Charles267
Thanks for your patience and willingness to wait to see if this is a timing issue that will resolve. I do suggest waiting after a few business days to see if Fidelity corrects things on their end.
If it doesn't, then (from the menubar) Help:Report a Problem and submit requested files-this is the best way to force these problems up the chain. Those files help the developers push back to Intuit/Fidelity that there is an issue in the data being sent.
Thanks!
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I was just closing out the month of February and when I went to one account it had a message that it had added a placeholder tranaction (in 2015). I couldnt balance the account with the statement and when I clicked on one of the transactions shown to me by the report, it showed multiple transactions that negated each other. Going back to that Placeholder transaction that Quicken created, it was in the same amount, so when I deleted that transaction everything balanced. Is AI getting involve in these transactions? Why would Quicken fabricate a bunch of transactions that the brokerage didn't send me?
I have the problem solved, for now, but am concerned about what will happen next time? Any ideas? TIA for positive suggestions or solutions.
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I am as puzzled by these placeholder transactions as you might be. I have seen them associated with both buys and sells. It would be nice if we could find some documentation from Quicken on when and why they are created.
Any transaction reported by a brokerage firm may have a transaction date and a settlement date. These dates may be several days apart. My guess is that the placeholders are created to balance the number of shares reported as transacted vs. the number reported as settled with the objective of showing, in quicken, a number that matches the settled amount reported by the brokerage.
I have handled these placeholders as you have. If I delete them the account balances and the share counts match what I see in the brokerage online account. A few years ago I converted a 401k to an IRA. Quicken created placeholders for almost every security transferred to the new account. The result was that none of the investment reports in Quicken were accurate. It took a real effort to clean it up.
I have a few new transactions in Quicken now. Placeholders were added by Quicken after the download. I will do nothing and watch to see if Quicken fixes it in a few days.
I also went to Perplexity and entered the following query. Got an extensive response that touched on this issue. You may do the same and read up on what the AI tool thinks is going on. Authoritative? Well, it is AI…
"Explain when and why Quicken software adds placeholder transactions to brokerage accounts. These transactions typically zero-out a buy or sell so the share count matches the share count seen before the transaction was downloaded from a brokerage."
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After this morning's download I see the the placeholders I found yesterday are all gone. Quicken deleted them automatically. Makes me think that my theory of transaction dates vs. settlement dates may be the issue.
My advice: when you see these placeholders wait a few days and see if they go away on their own.
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When I update Fidelity (which it is finally allowing me to do) it adds placeholders for each of my holdings, but gives them ticker symbol in the name download which seems to make the account think there is a separate set of share unaccounted for, essentially doubling my account. If I delete the placeholders they continuously reappear.
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I have also seen this with two securities. Only two. No idea what could cause this. I tried every thing I can do to eliminate them. I finally deleted the original securities and left the "placeholder" ones. The duplicates stopped coming. There wasn't much trading history with those so not much was lost. Not an ideal solution.
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