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I am long time Quicken user who altered Security Type list years ago. Quicken uses my altered list without problems except with attempts to use Morningstar data. My Mutual Fund holdings in Portfolio View display Morningstar Fund Category and Category Rank but not Morningstar Rating, Return , or Risk.
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Morningstar does give me mutual fund category and rank (but not Rating Return or Risk) using my altered Security Types.
Also it is strange that I can get some Morningstar data for both stocks and mutual funds. Morningstar does give me mutual fund Category and Rank (but not Rating, Return, or Risk) using my altered Security Types.
Also, in Investing Tab, the Allocation View lists my mutual funds with correct symbols in "Allocation by Security" but at the bottom of screen under "Mutual Funds Ratings from Morningstar" it states I have no mutual funds in selected accounts
In my experience, only securities with the type = Mutual Fund AND a valid MF ticker get any Morningstar info. But if you get some such info, you should get all available info as far as I know.
I suspect I deleted Mutual Fund security type way back when that was possible. This was before Quicken had any link to Morningstar. I reworked the Quicken Security Types to imitate the Morningstar Mutual Fund categories. (I have been Quicken user for over 20 years.)
I cannot understand how I still can get some Morningstar data. In Portfolio View, Morningstar does give me mutual fund Category and Rank (but not Rating, Return, or Risk) using my altered Security Types.
Also, in Investing Tab, the Allocation View lists my mutual funds with correct symbols in "Allocation by Security" but at the bottom of screen under "Mutual Funds Ratings from Morningstar" it states I have no mutual funds in selected accounts.
How can I get some but not all Morningstar data?
I suspect the file has all the data (except the two P/E values) downloaded as part of the standard of 'quotes' information. I don't think there is any separate communication with Morningstar. I further speculate that it is just the portfolio view construction that limits display of Morningstar Rating, Risk and Return to show only for securities with type = Mutual fund.
Sidebar of interest: I can set the type for an ETF to be Mutual Fund and the three Morningstar ratings appear for that ETF. Limited test (one ETF).
As I indicated, I didn't think it was ever possible to delete one of the built-in types. Maybe you are proving me wrong. I am afraid if your original MF type is truly gone, and not just renamed, there is little hope of recovering it. I have found that renaming the type is not a factor to portfolio views displaying the Morningstar ratings.
https://community.quicken.com/discussion/7876107/morningstar-ratings-return-and-risk
To see Morningstar Rating, Return , and Risk I have been forced to subscribe to Morningstar directly and display its Portfolio page on my IPad while running Quicken on my computer.
Please help with another mystery. In Investing Tab, then Performance, then Growth of $10,000: Quicken does not recognize my Indexes. Where can I get Quicken's true symbols for the Dow, S & P 500 , an Russell 2000? Did my modification of Quicken's "Index" Security Type prevent it from recognizing indexes?
Dow = DJI
Russel 2000 = IUX
S&P 500 = INX - Despite the on-screen text, this does NOT include dividends
S&P 500 Total Return, which includes reinvested dividends = index:spxt
This is part of larger issue.
Ironic story: I modified and possibly deleted some Quicken Security Types about 30 years ago in order to simulate Morningstar Fund Categories. At the time Quicken had scant tech support and no relations with Morningstar. This adaptation worked very well over the years but has apparently now resulted in my not being able to get Morningstar Rating, Risk, and Return since I probably deleted “Mutual Fund” Security Type. However, I can still get Morningstar Fund Category, Fund Rank and YTD, 1-, 3, 5-Yr data. Would it be possible to allow all Morningstar data to come through rather than just part of it?
In Investing Tab, then Performance, then Growth of $10,000: Quicken does not recognize my Indexes which do have correct symbols. Did my possible modification or deletion of Quicken's "Index" Security Type prevent it from recognizing indexes? Quicken does recognize my Indexes as securities and downloads their price in my Home Tab in Watch List. However, Quicken will not use the indexes to compare my returns to the indexes.
- Market Index -- None
- All except Market Index including user defined -- Tax Free check box
In addition to the Tax Free check box, unique to the other standard types:- Bond -- Bond Type field, Maturity Date, Call Date
- CD, and US Saving Bond -- Maturity Date
- Mutual Funds -- Use Avg Cost checkbox, and Back Load % field
- Stocks -- No Asset Class mixture option in Asset Class box
Emp. Stock Option and ESPP are special setup cases I did not delve into.I do not believe the "Other Info" options vary with security type selection.
So if you see one of your types does not offer the Tax Free Checkbox, that type was (I believe) originally named Market Index. Any index security with that security type should be visible for the Growth of $10K chart.
FWIW: my securities with security type = Market Index are the four Jim mentions plus the NASDAQ Composite with ticker = COMPX.
My comparison options for the Growth of $10K are:
Those options are not dependent on the type name = Market Index. I can edit the name for that type and these same options remain available.
So again, it appears if you actually did manage to delete the original security types, you may well be SOL at this point. I remain hopeful that you will be able to determine you renamed types rather than deleted. types.
It looks like the only original Security Type remaining is Bond. The rest of my original Security Types were probably deleted many years ago so I could use the replacements to mimic the Morningstar Fund categories. This was long before Quicken had any links to Morningstar. Deleting the Mutual Fund Security Type seems to be keeping me from seeing Morningstar Rating, Risk, and Return in Portfolio View but surprisingly I can see Morningstar Fund Category, Fund Rank and YTD, 1-, 3, 5-Yr data. So the absence of my original Mutual Fund Security Type has created a partial block to Morningstar data in Portfolio View. Is there any way to fix this and how can block be partial?
On the Growth of 10 K chart issue: all of my Security Types have the Tax Free Checkbox. Therefore I have probably long ago deleted the original Market Index Security Type and replaced it with another of similar name. Is this the reason I can see my indexes in my Watch List but the Growth of 10 K chart will not run them?
You can have the indexes (DJI, etc.) as securities and your could create your own type with the name Market Index. As a security, you can get all the available downloadable information. But since that type won't have whatever hidden attributes the original had, they won't really be treated as Market Indexes. (That's your problem, in a nutshell.)
You can find other posts around here where users have applied the real Market Index type to a security (and index fund or ETF for example), and then complain that they can't Buy that security in their accounts. Quicken has a built in restriction that such 'real' Market Indexes are not tradeable securities. In your state now, you won't have that problem. (Lucky you?)
At this point, it looks like my only original Security Type remaining is Bond. The rest of my original Security Types were probably deleted many years ago so I could use the replacements to mimic the Morningstar Fund categories. This was long before Quicken had any links to Morningstar. Deleting the Mutual Fund Security Type seems to be keeping me from seeing Morningstar Rating, Risk, and Return in Portfolio View but surprisingly I can see Morningstar Fund Category, Fund Rank and YTD, 1-, 3, 5-Yr data. So the absence of my original Mutual Fund Security Type has apparently created a partial block to Morningstar data in Portfolio View. Is there any way to fix this and how can block be partial?
To that, I answer: I have hope but little expectation. I would sure think it would be a simple change. Removing an "IF / ENDIF" statement 'one' place. But I likewise realize I know nothing about the code, and my 'simple' may be far from the truth.
As I think I indicated, I don't think there is direct communication with Morningstar. The third-party Quicken contracts with provides all those data values and they are all downloaded into the database. In my case since I have the original type, I can toggle the type for a given mutual fund. Toggle away from that "Mutual Fund" type - Risk, Reward, Return columns go blank. Toggle back to that type, they reappear. How can the block be partial? By only blocking it for those three columns. Why a partial block? No idea.
You could certainly create a test file and prove the point if you were so inclined. There are some brute-force ways to export your data and read it into to a new file using QIF files. Possible, but not easy and not without risk as far as I know. The primary catch seems to be transfers between accounts. In my case with 30 years of data, I don't imagine it would go well.
I still haver a very functional system and the Index and Morningstar issues can be worked around.
I also have 30 years of data and would be reluctant to risk integrity.
Transfers between accounts seemed to create more problems than anything else. Is there a reason for this?