Quicken for Mac v6.5 Released

kalkan

on my home page, the spending by category graph only shows certain categories and the amount is FAR less than it was prior to the upgrade - it used to display all major categories and then an "other" category that added up to all the money ive spent YTD. i do not se a way to edit the graph or the report

Quicken Marcus

jacobs said:

However, the Portfolio screen's Group by Asset Class continues to be badly broken because it is using the Asset Class of "Asset Mixture" rather than using the underlying asset mix we can now see and edit. Because I have a large percentage of my investments in mutual funds, all — 100% — of my 20-some mutual funds are lumped into a single line of Asset Mixture. Even bond funds which are 99.8% Domestic Bonds and 0.2% Cash are evaluated as "Asset Mixture" on the Portfolio screen. 

I have and will continue to suggest lots of additional features and tweaks for the Dashboard as you continue to build its functionality, but I'm writing to urge you not to do any more work on the Dashboard until you fix what was broken with the 6.3 release six months ago on the Portfolio view, which many Quicken users depend on. Can you please tell us if this at the top of your development plans for a future 6.6 release? 

The Portfolio View - Group by Asset Class isn't necessarily wrong but is simply displaying a simplified view of assets until we can make improvements to allow it to take advantage of the detailed asset mixture information that we now have. This requires a complete re-work of that view since securities will be shown multiple times in the list and we'll need to remove columns and tweak the calculations so it's not that simple to get it right. We've been looking at this since 6.3 and will update it when it's finished. 

Quicken Marcus

dhammabob said:

@Quicken Marcus seeing green = signs after every sync even though no new transactions were downloaded, is this a bug?

This is a new feature. There was a desire from auto-reconcile customers to be able to see at a glance which accounts if any failed auto-reconcile so that customers knew they had to manually reconcile an account.

jacobs

Quicken Marcus said:

The Portfolio View - Group by Asset Class isn't necessarily wrong but is simply displaying a simplified view of assets until we can make improvements to allow it to take advantage of the detailed asset mixture information that we now have.

@Quicken Marcus While that may be the case, perhaps what you're not taking into account is that due to the Dashboard changes for downloaded asset class information, every mutual fund and ETF now shows as Asset Mixture. So while the Dashboard card for my brokerage accounts (excluding one holding individual stocks) shows this useful breakdown...



...here's what I see on the Portfolio view:



So you can call this a "simplified view of assets", and I suppose you're technically correct, but I think that understates the problem!  When Asset Class shows only one class of "Asset Mixture," I don't think I'm too far wrong in calling that "broken."

Prior to the Dashboard being introduced, each of my funds had the asset class I assigned it. With 6.5, I now have the option of turning off the checkbox to use downloaded account information to restore my Portfolio view to what it used to show -- but then the Dashboard loses the detailed asset mix information as well and becomes even less useful. So that's the current Sophie's choice: live with the broken Portfolio view, or partially fix that and partially break the Dashboard view. I don't really want to edit each of my  securities individually to switch it back to the non-downloaded asset class and then have to undo this when you get the Portfolio view fixed, so I'm living with the view above for the time being... and hoping it won't be too long until you get the Portfolio view to work with the detailed asset mixture data.

Quicken Marcus

jacobs said:

@Quicken Marcus If it helps in reaching out to people about this date issue @Austin@ mentions above, I can refer you to this thread where four users reported seeing the same problem with Quicken Connect downloads:

• user @SRC1954 reports transaction dates with Chase change when using Quicken Connect but not when using Direct Connect or Web Connect;
• user @Michael Schmitt reports it with Quicken Connect for Elan Financial Services;
• user @hmeloab reports it for Chase when using Quicken Connect;
• user @Austin@ reports it for Capital One Card Services, Chase, Altabank, Venmo, & PayPal.
  

(This was also discussed in a Beta thread here  by some of the same users.)

Thanks This will help us track it down. I'll reach out separately to those of you running into issues. We need to be able to reproduce the issue before we can fix it. I don't think it's an issue that everyone is seeing. 

Quicken Marcus

SRC1954 said:

@Quicken Marcus I can attest that the Download bug that overwrites user's entered transaction date is there for any Quicken Connect accounts. That's FirstUSBank.com, Capital One 360, etc. The same bug showed up at the same time in Simplifi, which must use Quicken Connect. Simplifi doesn't give you a choice of Web Connect or Direct Connect. My Direct Connect accounts, Fidelity, American Express and Chase are unaffected.

Hi Steve, I started reading through the forums and your post was very helpful. The fact that this started happening around 12/8 and occurs on both Simplifi and Quicken Mac tells me this is most likely a service issue so I filed a ticket against the service to investigate what changes they have made around that time so hopefully, they can find and fix their issue asap.

Quicken Marcus

jacobs said:

Quicken Marcus said:

The Portfolio View - Group by Asset Class isn't necessarily wrong but is simply displaying a simplified view of assets until we can make improvements to allow it to take advantage of the detailed asset mixture information that we now have

So you can call this a "simplified view of assets", and I suppose you're technically correct, but I think that understates the problem!  When Asset Class shows only one class of "Asset Mixture," I don't think I'm too far wrong in calling that "broken."

Fair point. I don't disagree with you about the issue or the priority. I guess I was just pointing out that it's not that different than it was before we added the detailed asset mixture in the dashboard but I see your argument that it's actually worse since before you could label an S&P 500 Fund as Large Cap and you'd be mostly right vs getting Asset Mixture. We'll improve it as soon as we can. 

Quicken Marcus

kalkan said:

on my home page, the spending by category graph only shows certain categories and the amount is FAR less than it was prior to the upgrade - it used to display all major categories and then an "other" category that added up to all the money ive spent YTD. i do not se a way to edit the graph or the report

I don't think we changed anything on the Home Page so I wouldn't expect there to be any changes in 6.5. I see 5 categories in my pie chart with Other as the 6th category? How many are you seeing and how many did you see before?

Quicken Marcus

RickO said:

jacobs said:

This is why @RickO has suggested a third Activity Options setting for "Highlight accounts with downloaded unreviewed transactions". Such a setting would allow people with manually-entered transactions (orange pencil) in a connected account to not get a blue dot for the account for those manual transactions; the blue dot would appear only if there are unreviewed downloaded transactions. 

To pontificate on this a bit more: @Quicken Marcus said that showing the blue account level dot on connected accounts with orange pencils only is a bug. I'm not sure I agree with that. Here's why: I think it should be consistent with what happens when you invoke the "Not Reviewed" status filter. 

Rick, interesting point about the Not Reviewed filter showing orange pencil transactions. I'm calling the orange pencil triggering the blue dot a bug because it's not working the way we designed it. If people want a 3rd option, we can discuss that for a future release but that's a bigger change than we want to pick up in 6.5. 

nothingclever

I am reporting a bug in regards to the new investing dashboard. The number of shares of call/put options is incorrectly calculated in the new dashboard. This was not the case before.

nothingclever

I think the issue here is that downloads for call and put options are downloaded as a multiple of 100. Even though I bought three contracts, which is technically equivalent to 300shares. Now dashboard multiples these options an additional 100, so henceown we got to 30,000 shares

Quicken Marcus

nothingclever said:

I am reporting a bug in regards to the new investing dashboard. The number of shares of call/put options is incorrectly calculated in the new dashboard. This was not the case before.

Thanks for reporting this issue. Let me investigate.

Quicken Marcus

Quicken Marcus said:

nothingclever said:

I am reporting a bug in regards to the new investing dashboard. The number of shares of call/put options is incorrectly calculated in the new dashboard. This was not the case before.

Thanks for reporting this issue. Let me investigate.

We were able to find the issue and will have a fix as part of 6.5.1.

Quicken Marcus

We just shipped v6.5.1 which has fixes for the orange pencil triggering the blue dot as an unreviewed transaction and the option share count issue on the dashboard. Give it a try and let me know in this forum if it's working better or closer to how you think it should work.

larc2

December 28 received 2 updates of v6.5.1 (605.42634.100) and later (605.42638.100)

Robert Lynch

> @larc2 said:
> December 28 received 2 updates of v6.5.1 (605.42634.100) and later (605.42638.100)

What about the alignment issues with the reports mentioned above?

larc2

Robert Lynch said:

> @larc2 said:
> December 28 received 2 updates of v6.5.1 (605.42634.100) and later (605.42638.100)

What about the alignment issues with the reports mentioned above?

FYI copied from original poster above
Now for the bug in reports that I have seen since 6.4 (it may have occurred earlier, but that was the first time I saw it, and maybe everyone knows about this and I am just behind, but here goes):

In a summary report over long periods of time, if you scroll the dates (years in this case) across the screen to see previous years, then scroll back to the more recent years, the column headers (year) and the resultant totals become misaligned (see images below, the first image is when you first open the report and columns are aligned, the second shows the misalignment).  If you click on a subtotal under a specific year, you actually get a detailed breakdown of a different year than you are expecting.  I know I am not explaining this very clearly, I am happy to discuss more fully if anyone is confused.  Can anyone else re-create this behavior?

Jon

Quicken Marcus said:

We just shipped v6.5.1 which has fixes for the orange pencil triggering the blue dot as an unreviewed transaction and the option share count issue on the dashboard. Give it a try and let me know in this forum if it's working better or closer to how you think it should work.

"Highlight accounts with unreviewed transactions" is now working the way I want it to.

garysmith87

Here's a good one.  The new DASHBOARD view for Top Movers...Gainers and Losers...By Value.

Doesn't matter whether the security is a positive or negative number.  It ignores the sign completely with the sort.

This is dumb.  Like...really dumb.  The sort order should be smallest to largest or largest to smallest...AND take into effect whether it's a gain or loss.  

Thus, smallest to largest would have the biggest loss or smallest gain to biggest gain.  Largest to smallest would have biggest gain to smallest gain or biggest loss. 

Here's the example:



Notice that the 529.40 is in order...but is it REALLY in order?  It completely disregards the sign.

This also is wrong if I would sort By Percent.  The sign is completely ignored...just the ordinal number is sorted.  Sorry, but this is really dumb and needs to be fixed.  

SRC1954

@Quicken Marcus. I am cautiously optimistic that 6.5.1 solved the date change problem with downloaded matched transactions. For the first time in several weeks, my download didn't change the transaction date for Quicken connect First US Bank. I have more transactions clearing today so I should know definitively tomorrow. But the Sync Error box that started popping up with 6.5 is still there although I am pretty sure everything is synching anyhow.

garysmith87

I have to disagree with suggestion #2.  I have some investment accounts that are really old...and were messily converted from my Quicken Windows account. They contained the ubiquitous BUYX QW transaction type and really made a complete mess of my QM setup.  There were way too many of those BUYX to fix in QW.  I mean hundreds in multiple accounts.  

Thus, I had to recreate some of those accounts from a new starting date. There is absolutely no way I could ever get the Cost Basis for those accounts, and I just had Quicken Mac use placeholders for them.  These are retirement accounts, so the basis is irrelevant anyways.  But the Cost Basis can never be calculated.

I really don't want to see a Blue Dot reside next to my accounts designating that I have placeholder transactions.  Therefore, I vote a big NO for that enhancement. 

garysmith87

I have NEVER seen a blue square icon next to any placeholder transactions in Quicken Mac.  Maybe it's been so long ago (around 2016 or 2017) where these accounts were created that the entire dot/pencil idea wasn't even conceived yet.  

I see where your idea of marking them at least as "Reviewed" would resolve those blue dot issues...even if the placeholder transaction still resides in the register. 

If that were the case, I would have no objection to your recommendation.  

jacobs

@Quicken Marcus Just adding a note to concur with the post by @garysmith87 above that the Dashboard Top Movers card now has a bug where it sorts the "Change ($)" using the unsigned value of the numbers, as shown here:

The sort should go from most positive to most negative or vice versa; it is useless to have it ignoring which values are positive and negative and sorting by the unsigned values.

The same is true for the "Change (%)" column:

This problem appears to be only in the Top Movers card; the Holdings card sorts correctly by dollars and by percentage. 

Rick2022

@jacobs    @garysmith87

Well, perhaps the Top Movers is sorting correctly.  Top Movers implies moved the most today.  Say one has 3 accounts that were +$200 and -$100 and -$400. They would currently be listed as:

-$400
+$200
-$100


This would be correct because the -$400 would be the highest "Mover" even though it was a negative value because it changed the most.  The +$200 would be next because it didn't move as much as the 1st and then -$100 would be 3rd.    If you wanted the signs to be taken into account it would be:
+$200
-$400
-$100

This just wouldn't look right if thinking about how far an account moved.  Now if the header wasn't called Top Mover but rather something else, then sorted taking the sign into account may be appropriate.  However, the "Holdings" group does have your way of thinking.  It sorts using the sign if you select "Change &" or "Change $".

I think "Top Movers" is working correctly.  Otherwise, you'd have a duplicate of what you can get with "Holdings".

Rick2022

@RickO

I think 6.5.1 was a change in the app that didn't require a change in the database so there wouldn't be a Pre-Update backup like it was going from 6.4.x to 6.5.

jacobs

@Rick2022 You're correct. I went back to version 6.4.5 and found Top Movers sorted the same way: 

-381.02
+203.01
    -6.00

So it's not a new bug. But I would say it doesn't make much practical sense to sort by the unsigned value of the move rather than the signed value of the move.

Personally, I think the Top Movers card as currently implemented is a waste of space; I'd just add a second column to Holdings so it can be sorted by dollar amount and percentage. I'd much rather be able to see moves over a period of time other than one day; I don't really care about daily changes, but being able to look by month, or 6 months or YTD or 1 year or more would then make this a very helpful card.

garysmith87

Nomenclature aside for what "Top Movers" implies...it's wrong on every single level of accounting.

No one throws numbers out there disregarding the sign likes its alphabet soup.

It's dumb sorting.

I vote for if you're going to sort by Top Movers, then sort it NUMERICALLY correctly...not ignoring the sign of the amount it moved.

Because there's a world of difference between -400 and +200...like a difference of 600.  Not 200.  

And yes, I agree that I can see the same thing in the Holdings card.  So...if that's the case, get rid of the Top Movers card altogether and replace it with something that has something useful information.  

My OCD is kicking in and it's beyond annoying to look at that card now.  LOL!

Back to the drawing board Quicken team.  

Rick2022

Well, I like the way it is because the top mover could be a move into the negative.  BUT, what about making it the Top 10 Gainers and Top 10 Losers?  That would make it more useful.  I'd recommend that they be separated within the list with a header in the list as opposed to being able to select one or the other to get the list.  Then one could scroll and see the info.

garysmith87

Rick2022 said:

Well, I like the way it is because the top mover could be a move into the negative.  BUT, what about making it the Top 10 Gainers and Top 10 Losers?  That would make it more useful.  I'd recommend that they be separated within the list with a header in the list as opposed to being able to select one or the other to get the list.  Then one could scroll and see the info.

I can do that already with the Holdings card.  No need to duplicate what's already there. 

Rick2022

I looked at it again and see that there is a dropdown for "Gainers and Losers", "Gainers", Losers".  I missed that before.  This works for me.  But instead of the box being named "Top Movers", maybe the header should be the drop-down box titled as 1 of the 3 choices and then sorted most to least (or vice-versa) by actual value taking the + and - into account as selected by the user.

I also like @jacobs idea of having a quick look over time instead of just since yesterday.  That may make the screen very busy but it would be great to get a quick look instead of building a report(s).  

Next it would be nice to be able to print the 4 boxes as a single page or individually with whatever sorting/filtering/date range/etc selected at the top of the page.