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Downloaded 6.1.1, this fixed the problem I had reported above with the reconciliation history. Thanks!1
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Garry@ said:@Quicken Marcus
I have had a problem both before and after v6.1 was released.
I have tried to enter a transfer of shares transaction. I selected “One Security” and selected the security. I then tried to click on the “Transfer to Account” drop down. The drop-down did not open but, instead a message dialog was displayed saying “No “Transfer to Account” selected”. That dialog cannot be dismissed. It re-displayed immediately after I click on “OK”. No matter what I do it redisplays again and again. I have attached a copy of the dialog.
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This prevents me from closing Quicken; entering more detail on the transaction; accessing any other accounts; etc. The only way to overcome this is to force quit Quicken. Force quitting doesn’t seem to corrupt my data. The transfer transaction is saved as a “Buy” transaction which I have deleted after re-opening Quicken.
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Jon said:Downloaded 6.1.1, this fixed the problem I had reported above with the reconciliation history. Thanks!1
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smayer97 said:@Quicken Marcus Now that this is in place, any possibility of carrying forward the reconciliation history from QM2007?2
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Quicken Marcus said:smayer97 said:@Quicken Marcus Now that this is in place, any possibility of carrying forward the reconciliation history from QM2007?Thanks for the reply on this. That's very unfortunate though I am a little puzzled since migrating for this as I would thing that this should not involve knowing the codebase of QM2007... but rather ought to simply be about whether the data is there in the original database that identifies reconciliation data and periods and applying it to the new database, so mostly a mapping exercise.
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I've had the subscription model of Quicken for about 2 years (or more). My reconciliation history only goes back 3 months for the only account that I reconcile. Should it go farther back? There aren't any discrepancies.And without discrepancies, why is the history needed?
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@Rlck That's correct. The ability to store the reconciliation history only began with version 6.0, so older history does not exist. Over time, you will build up a history of new reconciliations.Quicken Mac Subscription • Quicken user since 19932
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smayer97 said:BTW, in QM2007, you can actually click and hold the reconciled flag on one transaction then drag down the list to unreconcile multiple transactions at a time. So that is an alternative to unreconcile a group of transactions.
I would welcome that feature in Quicken Mac.
More precisely, <space> toggles the reconcile status and moves to the next transaction.
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Create Renaming Rule > if statement name contains
@Marcus, would it be possible to make this field a little larger?
I often have tags in that field that span over multiple lines (4 in the example below). It makes it quite difficult to edit the tags (12 in the example below, 10 of which are unnecessary):3 -
caram said:Create Renaming Rule > if statement name contains
@Marcus, would it be possible to make this field a little larger?
I often have tags in that field that span over multiple lines (4 in the example below). It makes it quite difficult to edit the tags (12 in the example below, 10 of which are unnecessary):- Is there a way to make a renaming rule scoped to one or more specific accounts? For example, my spouse and I have between us multiple accounts (at the same FI) that will download a transaction with a generic but identical payee. For example, "Payment Received."
It would be useful to be able to have "Payment Received" in Account ABC be renamed to "ABC Account" and "Payment Received" in Account XYZ be renamed to "XYZ Account", but this doesn't seem to be possible. - A related example that shows the benefit of similar functionality with Quickfill rules:
There is a local gas station and convenience store that we visit often. The charges download with identical names, but on spouse's account it's almost always a convenience store purchase, and when it's on my account it's almost always fuel. If I could create different quickfill rules for different accounts, these could be categorized correctly in both accounts. - There is a frequent purchase that we make that downloads in the following format:
"TransactionNameXXXXX zzz-zzz-zzz" Where the "TransactionName" is a unique name, XXXXX is a number that seems to be random, and zzz-zzz-zzz is a unique phone number (truncated by one digit).
I've not figured out a way to create a search which works for these transactions. While "TransactionName" would be perfect to search, Quicken doesn't appear to perform a substring search so I get no results when I use it to search (as it's scrunched together with a random number). Not sure if this is a bug or a design decision?
In addition, when I try to use the phone number as the search string, it appears to add the area code, exchange, and digits as separate fields, and thus also fails to return any results. - Is it possible to prioritize certain renaming rules over others? For example, here's a real issue we encounter at a place we visit frequently. There are two types of transactions that download like this:
"Name1 Name2 Parking"
"Name1 Name2 [Random#]"
"Name1 Name2" are identical in both types of transactions (it's the same company), but the first is obviously a parking transaction and the second is not. A more advanced rules system (either by prioritizing certain rules to fire in a particular order OR by allowing negative keywords such as excluding the word "Parking") would allow us to categorize and rename both types of transactions correctly. - When in the Payees or Renaming or Quickfill windows, why isn't the selection maintained when moving between Renaming/Quickfill and back to Payees? The Payees window allows me to jump from a Payee to see its Quickfill or Renaming rules, but once I'm in either Quickfill or Renaming I can't jump to the other (or back to Payee) without the search resetting and needing to re-enter the name. I find myself doing this often and it's quite tedious.
2 - Is there a way to make a renaming rule scoped to one or more specific accounts? For example, my spouse and I have between us multiple accounts (at the same FI) that will download a transaction with a generic but identical payee. For example, "Payment Received."
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All reasonable and good suggestions. I can address, or at least provide some information, for some of them…Just Lurking said:
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For Payee renaming rules, there's an Idea thread here. I don't know if this would fall into the same response as categorization by account, but you can add your vote and comments there. Unfortunately, that idea hasn't garnered much support so far (4 votes as of this writing.)Just Lurking said:
This falls into the reply to the first idea above regarding categorization by account, where the developers have said they are not going to pursue it because of the complexity. It can't hurt to add your vote, and your example as a post in that thread -- use cases like this can help the developers understand why people are asking for an idea -- but based on the reply, I wouldn't expect anything in this area anytime soon.- 2. A related example that shows the benefit of similar functionality with Quickfill rules: There is a local gas station and convenience store that we visit often. The charges download with identical names, but on spouse's account it's almost always a convenience store purchase, and when it's on my account it's almost always fuel. If I could create different quickfill rules for different accounts, these could be categorized correctly in both accounts.
Just Lurking said:- 3. There is a frequent purchase that we make that downloads in the following format:"TransactionNameXXXXX zzz-zzz-zzz" Where the "TransactionName" is a unique name, XXXXX is a number that seems to be random, and zzz-zzz-zzz is a unique phone number (truncated by one digit).I've not figured out a way to create a search which works for these transactions. While "TransactionName" would be perfect to search, Quicken doesn't appear to perform a substring search so I get no results when I use it to search (as it's scrunched together with a random number). Not sure if this is a bug or a design decision?
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Could you do this: one renaming rule for "Name2 Parking" and a second renaming rule for "Name1 Name2", both renaming to the same Payee. Quicken allows multiple renaming rules for the same Payee. I'm not sure whether they execute in the order they appear -- which is the order you enter them -- but I'd at least try that. But if you successfully rename them the same, then Quicken will have no way to distinguish for the purpose of applying a QuickFill categorization rule. So for that reason, I'd suggest naming the Payees independently:- 4. Is it possible to prioritize certain renaming rules over others? For example, here's a real issue we encounter at a place we visit frequently. There are two types of transactions that download like this:"Name1 Name2 Parking""Name1 Name2 [Random#]""Name1 Name2" are identical in both types of transactions (it's the same company), but the first is obviously a parking transaction and the second is not. A more advanced rules system (either by prioritizing certain rules to fire in a particular order OR by allowing negative keywords such as excluding the word "Parking") would allow us to categorize and rename both types of transactions correctly.
"Name1 Name2 (Parking)"
"Name1 Name2"
Then you could have a different QuickFill categorization rule for each of the two Payees.
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smayer97 said:Quicken Marcus said:smayer97 said:@Quicken Marcus Now that this is in place, any possibility of carrying forward the reconciliation history from QM2007?Thanks for the reply on this. That's very unfortunate though I am a little puzzled since migrating for this as I would thing that this should not involve knowing the codebase of QM2007... but rather ought to simply be about whether the data is there in the original database that identifies reconciliation data and periods and applying it to the new database, so mostly a mapping exercise.4
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smayer97 said:@jacobs thanks for confirming both these things. That is what I suspected.@Quicken Marcus so there appears an inconsistency between the register and the re-conciliation window in handling unreconciling transactions. I suggest that at a minimum, they work the same... allow selecting multiple transactions in the re-reconciliation window and be able to unreconcile them in one step, just like in the register.1
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caram said:Create Renaming Rule > if statement name contains
@Marcus, would it be possible to make this field a little larger?
I often have tags in that field that span over multiple lines (4 in the example below). It makes it quite difficult to edit the tags (12 in the example below, 10 of which are unnecessary):4 -
"TransactionNameXXXXX zzz-zzz-zzz" Where the "TransactionName" is a unique name, XXXXX is a number that seems to be random, and zzz-zzz-zzz is a unique phone number (truncated by one digit).
I've not figured out a way to create a search which works for these transactions.Is it possible to prioritize certain renaming rules over others? For example, here's a real issue we encounter at a place we visit frequently. There are two types of transactions that download like this:If there is more than one renaming rule for a payee, I believe we'll prioritize the last used rule.
"Name1 Name2 Parking"
"Name1 Name2 [Random#]"
With that said, what does the Quicken Name look like? Could you create a Quicken Name rule for Name1 Name2 Parking and a Statement rule for the other one. I'm not sure this will work either. I have a question to the developer about what gets the priority, Quicken Name rules or Statement Name rules which would dictate if this has a chance of working or not.2 -
Quicken Marcus said:smayer97 said:@jacobs thanks for confirming both these things. That is what I suspected.@Quicken Marcus so there appears an inconsistency between the register and the re-conciliation window in handling unreconciling transactions. I suggest that at a minimum, they work the same... allow selecting multiple transactions in the re-reconciliation window and be able to unreconcile them in one step, just like in the register.
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Quicken Marcus said:smayer97 said:Quicken Marcus said:smayer97 said:@Quicken Marcus Now that this is in place, any possibility of carrying forward the reconciliation history from QM2007?Thanks for the reply on this. That's very unfortunate though I am a little puzzled since migrating for this as I would thing that this should not involve knowing the codebase of QM2007... but rather ought to simply be about whether the data is there in the original database that identifies reconciliation data and periods and applying it to the new database, so mostly a mapping exercise.
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Quicken Marcus said:caram said:Create Renaming Rule > if statement name contains
@Marcus, would it be possible to make this field a little larger?
I often have tags in that field that span over multiple lines (4 in the example below). It makes it quite difficult to edit the tags (12 in the example below, 10 of which are unnecessary):
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Quicken Marcus said:"TransactionNameXXXXX zzz-zzz-zzz" Where the "TransactionName" is a unique name, XXXXX is a number that seems to be random, and zzz-zzz-zzz is a unique phone number (truncated by one digit).
I've not figured out a way to create a search which works for these transactions.
It would be much more useful if it were possible for "if statement name contains…" to actually performed a true "contains" query (in the SQL database definition of "contains"). That is, a search for that text string no matter where it appears in the field. Using individual words (tokens) but only searching for them in the order they appear in the rule doesn't seem to do more than a contains search for multiple words, but a contains search could search on a something less than a full word separated by spaces.Quicken Mac Subscription • Quicken user since 19932 -
smayer97 said:Quicken Marcus said:smayer97 said:@Quicken Marcus so there appears an inconsistency between the register and the re-conciliation window in handling unreconciling transactions. I suggest that at a minimum, they work the same... allow selecting multiple transactions in the re-reconciliation window and be able to unreconcile them in one step, just like in the register.
But this cannot be done in a re-reconcile window (unless I've missed something), which is what @smayer97 is talking about: if you multi-select previously reconciled transactions in a re-reconcile window, then right-click any one of them, you get this warning dialog…
…and then only one transaction is changed to unreconciled. You have to click on each transaction individually, right-click, change the status, and okay the warning dialog for each transaction to un-reconcile a bunch of them. Or you have to know to bypass the re-reconcile window and do your unreconciling in the register instead -- a difference in approach which isn't intuitive.
@Quicken Marcus The reason this doesn't seem great is that if a user wants to re-do a messed up reconciliation and enters the re-reconciliation window, there's no quick/easy way to unreconciled everything and then start re-clicking transactions to reconcile.
But the other thing @smayer97 is asking for -- and I think it would be a great improvement -- is the ability to "abort" a re-reconciliation. Think about it: if you start a regular reconciliation, realize something is wrong, you simply close the window and the reconciliation is discarded. But in the re-reconcile window, anything you've changed is saved immediately; if you close the window, the status of any transactions you changed remains changed. What would be useful is a Cancel button which would discard any changes made in the re-reconcile window and set the status of all transactions back to what they were before the re-reconcile started. (In other words, the equivalent of clicking "Revert" on each transaction which had been changed -- in one button click.)Quicken Mac Subscription • Quicken user since 19933 -
jacobs said:
... if a user wants to re-do a messed up reconciliation and enters the re-reconciliation window, there's no quick/easy way to unreconciled everything and then start re-clicking transactions to reconcile.
Then use the regular reconciliation process to re-do reconciliation.Quicken Mac Subscription • macOS Monterey 12.6 on MacBook Pro 13" M12 -
Except that is an all or nothing approach. Anyway, sounds like some finesse is being considered.
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lhossus said:jacobs said:
... if a user wants to re-do a messed up reconciliation and enters the re-reconciliation window, there's no quick/easy way to unreconciled everything and then start re-clicking transactions to reconcile.
Then use the regular reconciliation process to re-do reconciliation.
But this doesn't address the desire to have a way to cancel/abort a re-reconciliation. While I was testing the new re-reconciliation process, I made a bunch of changes to unreconciled some transactions, and then decided I should have just left the reconciliation as it was -- but there's no easy way to go back to the prior state. You can exit the re-reconciliation than then delete the reconciliation, or manually multi-select a bunch of transactions and set them to uncleared status. But you can't easily* "go back to the way I previously had reconciled it." (*I will say that Quicken Mac's powerful unlimited Undo comes through here: you can pretty quickly press Command-Z repeatedly to undo any transactions whose status your changed in the Re-Reconcile window. But I think a simple Cancel button at the bottom of the Re-Reconcile window would likely help people who start to re-reconcile and realize they've made things worse instead of better.)Quicken Mac Subscription • Quicken user since 19932 -
The two of you are talking about two different things. What @Quicken Marcus is describing is something a user can do in a standard register: multi-select and change the status from reconciled to uncleared.
I'm not talking about the register. I believe multi-select clearing or unclearing transactions is possible in the re-reconcile window. I don't get that message above when I right-click on multi-selected transactions. I get a menu that lists:
But this cannot be done in a re-reconcile window (unless I've missed something), which is what @smayer97 is talking about: if you multi-select previously reconciled transactions in a re-reconcile window, then right-click any one of them, you get this warning dialog…- Mark as Cleared
- Mark as Uncleared
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jacobs said:Quicken Marcus said:"TransactionNameXXXXX zzz-zzz-zzz" Where the "TransactionName" is a unique name, XXXXX is a number that seems to be random, and zzz-zzz-zzz is a unique phone number (truncated by one digit).
I've not figured out a way to create a search which works for these transactions.
I do remember that the initial Quicken Windows implementation was very powerful and had lots of ways to match phrases and included starts with and contains and other operators but most people never took advantage of that extra complexity and in fact were confused by it. I do know they tore it all out and came up with the design we have today and supposedly it improved matching for most people or more people took advantage of the matching now that it was simplified but I wasn't involved in any of that so I don't know the exact history.3 -
Quicken Marcus said:I'm not talking about the register. I believe multi-select clearing or unclearing transactions is possible in the re-reconcile window. I don't get that message above when I right-click on multi-selected transactions. I get a menu that lists:
- Mark as Cleared
- Mark as Uncleared
Based on your comment, I tried something different: I multi-selected the same transactions, and control-clicked somewhere other than near the CLR column. Voila! It behaves as you say it should: a menu to mark as cleared or uncleared, then the warning dialog, then the action performed on all the selected transactions.
It never occurred to me that where you right click changes the action on the multi-selected transactions!
So, the good news is that you can change the status of multiple transactions at once in the the re-reconcile window, as you say.
But my suggestion would be to fix the behavior that if the cursor is over the CLR column, only one transaction is changed. If other users are like me, and control-click over the CLR checkbox, the behavior is not what is expected. I would expect that in the re-reconcile window, control-clicking anywhere on the multi-selected transactions would do the same thing: pop up the mini-menu to mark as cleared or uncleared.Quicken Mac Subscription • Quicken user since 19932 -
Quicken Marcus said:jacobs said:Quicken Marcus said:"TransactionNameXXXXX zzz-zzz-zzz" Where the "TransactionName" is a unique name, XXXXX is a number that seems to be random, and zzz-zzz-zzz is a unique phone number (truncated by one digit).
I've not figured out a way to create a search which works for these transactions.
@Quicken Marcus Thank you for some of the background and insight into the limitations of working with the rest of the Quicken family.
Just today there was a post in another thread from a user asking about the same issue. I'm posting it here just to give you another example where using numbers as delimiters for the tokens would be helpful:
I'd also note that his examples include special characters, which Quicken Mac does use as delimiters for tokens in creating a renaming rule -- but perhaps isn't applying the same way when running the rule against Payees in new transactions. If his example is literally accurate, then "SamplePayee*$@^" tokenizes "Sample Payee" in creating a renaming rule, and should match incoming transactions -- but he's saying it doesn't.Dave461 said:Hey gang- I have a frequent merchant who uses Square to process my credit card. Square appears to assign a unique alphanumeric sequence to each and every transaction. Such that the Payee Name is unique for each transaction. i.e. SamplePayee3#$&% and SamplePayee*$@^ and SamplePayee%ey%$ etc.
As you can imagine this gives Quickfill fits since every occurrence appears to be unique and new to Quicken so I never get a match and the Category does not get assigned. I've tried to edit a Quickfill Rule such that it only looks for "SamplePayee" but Quicken refuses to Save that.
Anyone have a workaround? Thanks!Quicken Mac Subscription • Quicken user since 19932 -
jacobs said:Quicken Marcus said:I'm not talking about the register. I believe multi-select clearing or unclearing transactions is possible in the re-reconcile window. I don't get that message above when I right-click on multi-selected transactions. I get a menu that lists:
- Mark as Cleared
- Mark as Uncleared
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Quicken Marcus said:jacobs said:Quicken Marcus said:I'm not talking about the register. I believe multi-select clearing or unclearing transactions is possible in the re-reconcile window. I don't get that message above when I right-click on multi-selected transactions. I get a menu that lists:
- Mark as Cleared
- Mark as Uncleared
And when you say, Control-Click, I presume you mean Control-Left Click...but the convention is that Control-Click is supposed to be equal to Right-Click.... so should the Control-Click feature/trigger be replaced with something like Opt-Click or Cmd-Click?Have Questions? Help Guide for Quicken for Mac
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RE: Renaming rules, here is the link to the discussion @jacobs mentioned:https://community.quicken.com/discussion/7888535/how-to-create-a-custom-quickfill-rule
Any reason that QWin, and therefore QWeb/Mobile, are designed this way? Is this a technology limitation? Or is this an old design carryover that simply was never improved? Is there any opportunity to push back and coordinate a better more intuitive design for all versions?
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