Top Movers? R27.20 (QWin Subscription)

jtemplin · June 20

I've upgraded to R27.20 (QWin Subscription), and the release notes state:

New: Added an Investing dashboard that includes a new Top Movers panel. The dashboard is aimed at reducing the complexity of the Investing view to make it easier to quickly assess the status of your investments.

I can't find where this new Top Movers panel is or how to display it. My current Investing Dashboard has 3 panels: Total Value, Portfolio by Security, and Value over Time.

Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks.

PhoenixRising · June 20

Yes, I'm using Quicken Deluxe Windows 27.20.

This is what my screen looks like with Investing, Dashboard selected.

And my question is...if Deluxe isn't supposed to get this feature, then why does it appear as a selection in my version?

splasher · June 20

It might be the "Total Value" panel, which will take until Monday to see how it works since there will be no quote changes until then.

It doesn't make sense to title it one thing and then refer it by a different name, shame on Quicken for the confusion.

jtemplin · June 20

Well, Total Value should indeed get you "Top Movers" if you sort by one of the "Today" columns. But, to me "Top Movers" mean securities with the largest positive change AND the largest negative change that day. To see both those populations, you'd presumably have to scroll to the bottom of the sorted securities list, or resort. To me (anyway), a true "Top Movers" panel would sort by the absolute value of change and you see them all at once at the top.

PhoenixRising · June 20

Using the latest Quicken Deluxe Windows 27.20 update. In the release notes, it states that they added a new Dashboard to the Investing section.

Sure, the Dashboard tab is there, but when I click on it all I get is the Accounts and Securities selection boxes ... and nothing else. No data. Doesn't matter what I select in the Accounts or Securities...all, some, custom. Nothing but blank data.

Is this supposed to work? If so, what's it supposed to look like? And am I missing data because I'm using the Deluxe version instead of the Premier version? And if so, then why do I even have the Dashboard "tab" under Investing if it's not available in my version?

Someone care to explain to me what I should be seeing and what version this is supposed to be working with.

Chris_QPW · June 20

It fills in for my Premier edition, so it might be that it is only for Premier and above and you aren't suppose to get it in Deluxe at all and that is a bug.

But note, I only have an account pulldown, nothing for selecting the securities, it just selects all of my active securities.

Chris_QPW · June 20

You can get the Top Movers box to display by putting in some prices manually. It is displayed under the TOTAL VALUE box. What's more it works like @jtemplin expects.

Chris_QPW · June 20

Just to be clear the TOTAL VALUE box isn't the Top Movers, and as such when you sort by the value or percentage it isn't trying to do "Top Mover", it is numeric sort.

ps56k · June 20

and.... as mentioned - you should indicate which version - Deluxe vs Premiere -
as some of these new "investment" screens might only be part of Premiere..
If so - the Release Notes should be updated to reflect any "version specific" features.
If not - then it's just Q logistics -

Chris_QPW · June 20

@ps56k Yes, I'm using Premier, and this other post suggests that even though the Dashboard comes up for them it doesn't work (which is at least one bug):

...

I see that post by @PhoenixRising was merged into this thread, above.

PhoenixRising · June 20

Yes, I'm using Quicken Deluxe Windows 27.20.

This is what my screen looks like with Investing, Dashboard selected.

And my question is...if Deluxe isn't supposed to get this feature, then why does it appear as a selection in my version?

NotACPA · June 20

PhoenixRising said:

Yes, I'm using Quicken Deluxe Windows 27.20.

This is what my screen looks like with Investing, Dashboard selected.

And my question is...if Deluxe isn't supposed to get this feature, then why does it appear as a selection in my version?

It's a bug, as Chris_QPW already said

Chris_QPW · June 20

BTW on Premier:

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/6031128/uploads/editor/rs/u14ldimhiu88.png

Notice there isn't a Securities pulldown menu like is shown in @PhoenixRising 's screenshot?

Looks like the feature isn't completed, because I would certainty think people would want to filter by security.

PhoenixRising · June 20

> @NotACPA said:
> (Quote)
> It's a bug, as Chris_QPW already said

It's a bug...as in it's not supposed to be available in the Deluxe version.

Or it's a bug... and the feature isn't working as designed in Deluxe.

You haven't answered the question.

Boatnmaniac · June 20

(Edited to correct comment regarding "Shares" column."

A couple of observations about this new Dashboard:

1) Total Value:

"Shares" column headers does not sort properly.
"Security", "Price" and "Value" column headers do appear to sort properly.
The verdict on "Today $" and "Today %" column headers sorting is out until Monday since everything is 0% right now.

2) Value Over Time: The graph itself appears to be correct but when hovering the cursor of the graph bars it shows only the value of my biggest investment account instead of the total value of all my investment accounts.

Chris_QPW · June 20

@PhoenixRising we (as other Quicken users) don't know which it is. It is definitely a bug though.

But my guess would be that the Deluxe version shouldn't have the tab at all. After all they are constantly looking to add features that will justify the price bump for going from Deluxe to Premier with the main focus being better investment reporting. This is right up that alley.

Chris_QPW · June 20

Boatnmaniac said:

A couple of observations about this new Dashboard:
1) Total Value:
"Shares" column headers does not sort properly.

My share column seems to sort fine.

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/6031128/uploads/editor/82/c9yxbkecxv2e.png

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/6031128/uploads/editor/hs/ecrolhm6sfbi.png

What are you seeing?

Note you can put in a manual price for a security(s) to test out the Today$ and Today% columns.

Boatnmaniac · June 20

@Chris_QPW - Mea cupla...when I looked at it originally I saw commas instead of periods. You are right, it does appear to sort correctly. Dang...and I just got new glasses, too!

Maybe it would be a good idea if Quicken were to show 3 decimal points for all securities so it would be less likely for people to misread it (especially those with tired eyes like mine).

I'll just wait until Monday to test out the Today$ and Today% so I can see the results for all securities instead of just a few. I have pretty good confidence in Quicken's reliability in reporting data, especially since the data in this Dashboard likely are not new calculations but are simply pulled from other established areas in Quicken.

Chris_QPW · June 20

I agree. Those commas had me doing double takes.

Snowman · June 21

I am using Premier edition. When I first received this download (on my laptop) on Friday ( around 11am) I had a Top Movers section. When I updated Quicken on my desktop on Saturday I did not. I had the Total Value. When I opened this again on my laptop on Sunday (where there was a Top Mover section on Friday) now it shows Total Value as well.

It may be that "Top Mover" only shows up when the markets are open. It will be interesting to test this on Monday.

splasher · June 21

Snowman said:

I am using Premier edition. When I first received this download (on my laptop) on Friday ( around 11am) I had a Top Movers section. When I updated Quicken on my desktop on Saturday I did not. I had the Total Value. When I opened this again on my laptop on Sunday (where there was a Top Mover section on Friday) now it shows Total Value as well.

It may be that "Top Mover" only shows up when the markets are open. It will be interesting to test this on Monday.

If it only works on days when the stock market is open, it will be a useless feature for the users that only deal with their finances on the weekends.

Boatnmaniac · June 21

Snowman said:

I am using Premier edition. When I first received this download (on my laptop) on Friday ( around 11am) I had a Top Movers section. When I updated Quicken on my desktop on Saturday I did not. I had the Total Value. When I opened this again on my laptop on Sunday (where there was a Top Mover section on Friday) now it shows Total Value as well.

It may be that "Top Mover" only shows up when the markets are open. It will be interesting to test this on Monday.

What you say is likely true. @Chris_QPW 's test above also seems to support that conclusion. If this proves to be true, perhaps a good enhancement for Quicken to make would be to add a date selector so users can see the Top Movers sections for dates in the past. I see some value in that, especially for people who are more speculative investors and want to get snapshots of daily (or date range) changes to give them some idea of when it might be good time to do a buy or sell of a security.

jtemplin · June 21

splasher said:

If it only works on days when the stock market is open, it will be a useless feature for the users that only deal with their finances on the weekends.

And if true, it would work differently from the other investing "panels" I have on my current custom Home tab view, i.e. they still display on non-trading days, but don't have any data in them (e.g. "Investment Account Activity: Daily", and "Watch List").

An example, perhaps, of trying to be too clever by hiding "Top Movers" on non-trading days? We'll see tomorrow.

Chris_QPW · June 21

It is easy enough to test, and the answer is Top Movers is only displayed for the securities/days that have a price for that day.

Chris_QPW · June 21

jtemplin said:

splasher said:

If it only works on days when the stock market is open, it will be a useless feature for the users that only deal with their finances on the weekends.

And if true, it would work differently from the other investing "panels" I have on my current custom Home tab view, i.e. they still display on non-trading days, but don't have any data in them (e.g. "Investment Account Activity: Daily", and "Watch List").

I don't think you can compare this to what is on the Home tab, and there is a "panel" that works like this. It is the Portfolio view. Of course that view also has a As of: selection, so as was mentioned above that is probably something they need to add here. And they probably need that missing securities pulldown too.

Quicken_Natalie · June 22

Hello All,

Thank you for taking the time to visit the Community and share your feedback and experiences regarding this issue, although I apologize for any frustration or confusion incurred.

I have confirmed that this feature should be available for Deluxe Users and that the Dashboard view not appearing for Deluxe Users has been identified as a bug.

Additionally, I was able to confirm that this has already been reported to our Teams, who are currently working on a fix. This can tentatively be expected with the next "Hot Fix" patch release.

We will be sure to post back with any updates as they become available.

Thank you,

Quicken Natalie

masug · June 27

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masug · June 27

> @jtemplin said:
> I've upgraded to R27.20 (QWin Subscription), and the release notes state:
>
> New: Added an Investing dashboard that includes a new Top Movers panel. The dashboard is aimed at reducing the complexity of the Investing view to make it easier to quickly assess the status of your investments.
>
> I can't find where this new Top Movers panel is or how to display it. My current Investing Dashboard has 3 panels: Total Value, Portfolio by Security, and Value over Time.
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks.

Just install Release R27.24 (US Versions, June 2020) and it will work. Patch of a patch!!

jtemplin · June 27

masug said:

Just install Release R27.24 (US Versions, June 2020) and it will work. Patch of a patch!!

R27.24 has nothing to do with this. Please read the entire thread.

We established earlier in the thread that Top Movers only seems to appear when it has data to show. That means it "disappears" on weekends when there are no new quotes. It reappears on trading days.

Both R27.20 and R27.24 exhibit this behavior. I'll bet if you access the investing dashboard this morning you won't see it now. I don't. Folks have observed that this behavior makes this panel useless for folks who customarily analyze their investments only during the weekend.

My OP was written on a Saturday when it was "hiding." It was coincidence that I installed R27.20 on a Saturday. It's probably also coincidence you installed R27.24 and tried the dashboard on a trading day.

IMO, I think this panel should always appear, even if it has zeroes on a weekend. That way it would behave the same as the home view items like "Watch List". Even better, as also commented in the thread, is being able to select the date for the display.

Bob_L · June 27

The dashboard displays correctly today, Saturday. The changes are all shown as zeros. I am running Premier, 27.24.

jtemplin · June 27

Bob_L said:

The dashboard displays correctly today, Saturday. The changes are all shown as zeros. I am running Premier, 27.24.

That is really interesting. It's disappeared for me, just like R27.20 did. I'm running Premier Windows R27.24. Reinstalling the Mondo Patch for R27.24 didn't seem to help.

But I entered a made-up price for today for one of my mutual funds, and got the panel to reappear again. Go figure.

Snowman · June 27

The Top Movers should be programmed to display the information from the last trading day. That way those who want to access this information on the weekend or when there is a long 3 day weekend may do so. I have put this up in the ideas section so if you agree please vote for it.....

Top Movers? R27.20 (QWin Subscription)

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