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Add values of hidden investment accounts to investment graphs (11 Legacy Votes)

Snoopy FC

I'm using QM2017, and currently the values of hidden investment accounts are not reflected in the graphs. Please add the option to hide the investment account, but still include the account values in the graphs. I don't want to see these accounts on that sidebar that are not currently active, but I would like to see the values of these accounts reflected in the historic information that is presented graphically.

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RCinNJ

I don't have any hidden investment accounts, but I know when I hide accounts there are 2 checkboxes. The first hides the account, the second removes the account from reports. Check if both boxes are checked for your hidden investment accounts. I don't know if this will make a difference for graphs, but if not you could make a request to the developers.

Snoopy FC

I don't have any hidden investment accounts, but I know when I hide accounts there are 2 checkboxes. The first hides the account, the second removes the account from reports. Check if both boxes are checked for your hidden investment accounts. I don't know if this will make a difference for graphs, but if not you could make a request to the developers.

Unfortunately, it doesn't make a difference for the graphs. When any investment account is hidden, it's holdings are not reflected in any of the graphs. It would be helpful to have a checkbox in the accounts window indicating whether or not one wants this info hidden in the graphs similar to what is already available for the reports.

unknown

You will be able to customize your graphs / reports to include 'Hidden accounts'. If you are viewing the graph, use the account filter -> Custom and click on 'Show hidden accounts'. Similarly if you are running a report, click on Customize -> Accounts and click on 'Show hidden accounts.

Snoopy FC

You will be able to customize your graphs / reports to include 'Hidden accounts'. If you are viewing the graph, use the account filter -> Custom and click on 'Show hidden accounts'. Similarly if you are running a report, click on Customize -> Accounts and click on 'Show hidden accounts.

Sangeetha,

Thanks for the tips, but these don't make sense for QM2017 v4.4.3. Here's what happens. I'm looking at all my retirement investments in the following view. This includes all accounts, even accounts that are technically "closed" (zero balances in the sidebar [not shown]). The following pic displays the graph under this condition:

Now, if I go into accounts and hide just one of those closed accounts, you'll notice the difference compared with the graph below:

Do you see the difference when I hide just one of my investment accounts? I'd love to hide the investment account in the left sidebar, but still see it's values reflected in the graph. That way I could still see its impact in my portfolio, without losing screen real estate to an account with a current $0 balance. Let me know if this doesn't make sense.

Snoopy FC

I think I've mentioned this before, but we need a way to hide these accounts yet still see the impacts of these previous holdings in the investment graphs. Currently, if you hide one of these closed accounts, the investment graphs exclude the data hidden in the account. The result is a graph that doesn't fully reflect historic holding. Please fix this.

Snoopy FC

Still waiting on this one. Really? How many closed accounts does one have to have before this is really annoying?

Snoopy FC

In case anyone cares, this issue is still present in February 2020......

Snoopy FC

This idea goes along with the ability to hide closed or inactive investment accounts. Otherwise they reside on the left sidebar reminding you that you have nothing in these accounts. Not particularly helpful either way.

Snoopy FC

The point is that currently hiding an account can hide it from both reports and will hide it from these investment graphs. I can tell Quicken to show them in the reports, but there's no option to still include these hidden data in the investment graphs.

markrich2000

Same issue!

jacobs

Yes, the flaw is at the developers built the ability to hide accounts but include them in reports, which directionally addresses what people need. Unfortunately, all reporting on investments is not done via Reports, it's done via the Portfolio screen. So they need to build in another level of account hiding, and/or build actual Reports that follow the hiding settings.

Chris Anderson

Following. We shouldn't have to unhide an account for it to show up in a historical graph.

smayer97

makes sense to have.

Snoopy FC

I’ve been asking for this for years.

Snoopy FC

The issue is still present and unaddressed.

jacobs

I don't see why this issue would be archived and tossed. Some issues like this don't inspire more comments on this forum because it's a simple ask and there's not much more to add. That doesn't mean there's a lack of interest in seeing the idea implemented.

I think Quicken Mac needs the functionality Quicken Sangeetha described being in Quicken Windows: a checkbox in the Portfolio window to show/hide hidden accounts. I say that because having hidden accounts show up just in the chart (as this thread is requesting), but not in the list of holdings as of a specific date would be misleading and inconsistent. If I tell a Portfolio window to show my holdings as of 12/31/2009, it should automatically (or optionally via a checkbox I can check) show me all my holdings as of that date, including accounts which are now closed or hidden -- in both the chart and the list of holdings. If you're looking at historical data, you generally want to see what was the case back then, not see an incomplete picture because an account that was open then is closed/hidden now.

Patrick Flaherty

Please keep this request active. Graphs should have an easy method to include currently closed/hidden accounts based on the “as of” date without the user having to review all individual hidden accounts to figure out which ones had balances as of that date (and not set to be excluded from graphs). I haven’t used the WIN version of Quicken in a long time but I recall having that option. This functionality is not a new concept.

dan.greenberg.ct

I would also like to see this feature added. I have accounts that were moved from one brokerage to another and if I look at the default investment graph the balance shows as zero historically even though I had balances at that time. The only way to correctly reflect the balance growth is to show the account in the sidebar even though it's closed with a zero balance.

Snoopy FC

dan.greenberg.ct said:

I would also like to see this feature added. I have accounts that were moved from one brokerage to another and if I look at the default investment graph the balance shows as zero historically even though I had balances at that time. The only way to correctly reflect the balance growth is to show the account in the sidebar even though it's closed with a zero balance.

That's been my issue. It'd be great to hide these old accounts in the sidebar, but still have the data reflected in the graphs.

jacobs

In Quicken Mac, the option for hiding an account is "Hide in Lists". Quicken Help defines this as "Hidden within sidebar" and "Hidden from transaction entry lists" -- exactly what you'd want and expect when you mark and account Hide in Lists. But that's not what Quicken Mac does; it also hides these accounts from the Portfolio view. This makes to Portfolio history inaccurate and in many cases worthless if the user has moved funds from one brokerage to another -- all the history from the former brokerages is absent from the Portfolio view. If I set my portfolio to 12/31/2010, I expect it to show me my holdings and history as of that date, but it does not. Please implement a fix so the historical information can be viewed accurately.

Quicken Anja

Hello All,

The Community Support team regularly reviews long-standing posts and Ideas for relevancy and current interest. This Idea seems to have stalled and we would like to gauge the current interest in this request.

If you would like to see this idea implemented, please add your vote and a comment explaining how this idea would be beneficial for you. More information, including steps to vote and how to submit your own Ideas for future product features/improvements, is also available here.

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smayer97

Still needed

jacobs

This is currently one of the most significant shortcomings of the Quicken Mac investment portfolio, in my opinion. Anyone who has changed brokerages or closed accounts cannot see their accurate investment history in the Portfolio data table and graphs if they have closed investment accounts. Further, transactions in closed accounts disappear from the Transaction window when looking back at past transactions.

According to Quicken's own help, "Hide in Lists" is only supposed to remove accounts from the sidebar and pop-up lists -- not make past history disappear. So Quicken doesn't even do what it says it should do.

This is an annoying shortcoming which forces users to either leave long-closed accounts "open" and visible in their sidebar in order to see accurate history, or close the accounts to clean up their sidebar but lose valuable history from view.

I would not want to see this idea disappear. The subject line of this post is misleading -- it sounds like something which has already been implemented -- so it probably doesn't get a lot of votes.

"Add ability to hide old/closed investment accounts in sidebar/account list" is a feature which exists; you can close & hide investment accounts in the sidebar. But reading the original post clarifies that this idea is actually making hidden accounts not disappear from investment history. This confusion is likely why this topic doesn't have a lot of votes, but anyone who values seeing their long term investment history displayed accurately in Quicken should want to see this idea implemented. (Fellow Quicken Mac investors, please add your vote to this topic!)

Snoopy FC

Jacobs comment is spot on. I think this idea or concept is noted in several other ideas, but Jacobs comments nail the heart of the issue. Quicken Anja, check out my other discussions as I've raised this idea several times over the years.

Quicken Sarah

Hello @jacobs & @Snoopy FC

Thank you for bringing awareness to this topic, although I apologize for any inconvenience or frustration experienced.

I brought this thread up with the Mac team this morning to look into this request a little deeper and during our review, it does appear that closed and/or hidden accounts do retain the investment history.

Could you please provide a little more detail and perhaps screenshots of this request so that we might understand better what is missing?

Thank you,

Sarah

Snoopy FC

I apologize for the delay in my response, but I hope I can make this clear. The issue hinges on the accurate presentation of the historic data in the graphs when the accounts are hidden.

Notice I have several investment accounts in the retirement portfolio that have a balance of $0. Here's what the portfolio looks like graphically with all "retirement" accounts open:

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/6031128/uploads/editor/w0/hzksxll10vlr.png

Here's what that same graph looks like when I hide only the current $0 balance Converse and LA accounts:

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/6031128/uploads/editor/0y/vruo4iaotajd.png

Notice that while the overall value of the portfolio does not change, the graphic representation of the historic data does not reflect the data that are in the hidden accounts. To keep a true graphic representation of the data, I can never close those old accounts. I'd like to keep those effectively closed accounts hidden, but still see the values of those accounts reflected in the graph. In doing so, I free up the real estate on the sidebar at left, but still can see how the portfolio has truly performed through time. Please contact me directly for followup.

Snoopy FC

You'll also find the idea presented in this thread which related to QM2017:
https://community.quicken.com/discussion/7347249/add-values-of-hidden-investment-accounts-to-investment-graphs-11-legacy-votes#latest

jacobs

Quicken Sarah said:

Hello @jacobs & @Snoopy FC

I brought this thread up with the Mac team this morning to look into this request a little deeper and during our review, it does appear that closed and/or hidden accounts do retain the investment history.

Could you please provide a little more detail and perhaps screenshots of this request so that we might understand better what is missing?

As I wrote in the other thread linked above, Quicken Mac provides the option for accounts to "Hide in Lists". Quicken Help defines this as "Hidden within sidebar" and "Hidden from transaction entry lists" -- exactly what you'd want and expect when you mark an account "Hide in Lists." But that's not what Quicken Mac currently does; it also hides these accounts from the Portfolio view. This makes the Portfolio history inaccurate, and in many cases worthless. If the user has moved funds from one brokerage to another, all the history from the former brokerages is absent from the Portfolio view.

@Quicken Sarah the screen shots from "@Snoopy FC" illustrate the issue. I can provide more if this is not clear enough to the development team.

If I set my portfolio to 12/31/2010, I expect it to show me my holdings and history as of that date. It does not. It should be the same as a Net Worth report for that date -- but it is not.

And it's not just the graph that's wrong; the table below the graph, whether Grouped By Account or Grouped By Security, also excludes the data from accounts which are set to Hide in Lists. That is, if I set my Portfolio date to 12/31/2010 and set the filter to Group by Security, I'd expect to see my security holdings as of that date, but Quicken omits any securities which were held in accounts marked as Hide in Lists. If I set the filter to Group by Account, the accounts I held as of that date which are marked as Hide in Lists are absent.

Hide in Lists is doing much more than what it's defined to do: remove the account from the sidebar and transaction dropdown menus; it is completely hiding the history of those accounts and the securities they held from the Portfolio. This behavior is not expected. I think the overwhelming majority of users would want the Portfolio "as of" date to accurately show their holdings as of that date. (If there is a narrow use case where a user might want to intentionally hide the history of closed accounts — perhaps data was recorded incorrectly and never corrected, so they just want to be able to hide it — there might be a reason to offer an option for the current hidden history behavior. But it should be able to be turned off, and shouldn't even be the default behavior.

Snoopy FC

Quicken Sarah said:

Hello @jacobs & @Snoopy FC

Thank you for bringing awareness to this topic, although I apologize for any inconvenience or frustration experienced.

I brought this thread up with the Mac team this morning to look into this request a little deeper and during our review, it does appear that closed and/or hidden accounts do retain the investment history.

Could you please provide a little more detail and perhaps screenshots of this request so that we might understand better what is missing?

Thank you,

Sarah

Did you have any followup questions on this, or did this make things clear? Just wondering where this now stands with the development team.

dan.greenberg.ct

This appears to be working now in 6.3 with the new (I think) option above the accounts. Click the dots then Account Display then uncheck Show Closed Accounts. The graphs now look like they show historical balances even if the account is currently closed.