Quicken for Mac 2018 v5.4.x Released

Quicken Marcus

John Morrow said:

Entering a *credit* transaction with cents, the cents portions is discarded upon entry. This is a rather annoying bug.

Steps to reproduce:
0. Change currency to EUR and regional format to French.
1. Create a new transaction.
2. Set the amount to, for example, +3000,12
3. Press enter. The transactions is registered, but the amount has been converted to (green) 3000,00

Oh gosh, that's a good find.  The weird thing is that -3000,12 appears to work fine.  It's only when you place the Plus in front of it.  Thanks for reporting this.

smayer97

Concordman said:

Just downloaded the update 5.4.2. Looks like the column width modification appear to be working. Quicken is indeed remembering the widths I selected. Wondering if Marcus had a chance to review some of the bill & income issues RickO, QPW & I discussed a few weeks ago.  

I believe in WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get, an Apple philoshophy since Macs were created)...QM2007 had no trouble with this. It even has a simple option (for user to select, not necessarily to implement) called Shrink Wide Pages to Fit...

The way it works is quite simple in concept...you can adjust your columns on screen as you see fit, for any report...the option simply tries to make all the columns fit on a page by changing the SCALE of the Page Setup...

The algorithm shrinks the scale but if it goes beyond a minimum, therefore it considers the scaling too small, it simply gives an error that it cannot be done and reverts the setting...

Always works...never had a problem...why not leverage those algorithms and implement that?

For those interested, you can add your VOTE to Report Formatting Options (another closely related one is Freeze left column for scrolling and shrink report for printing).

First, click on the underlined link above to go there, then click VOTE at the top of THAT page, so your will vote count for THIS feature and increase its visibility to the developers by seeking to have the features you need or desire end up in the latest version.

While you are at it, you may want to add your VOTE to related IDEAS found on the List of Requests for Report Related Features. Click on the underlined link, then follow the instructions to add your vote to more related ideas. Your VOTES matter!

(If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

Quicken Marcus

John Morrow said:

I have come across a few bugs around scheduled transactions with a non-monthly schedule... Maybe the refactoring currently in progress will be an opportunity to fix these? Details below.

BUG 1
Steps to reproduce:
1. Create a new scheduled transaction in Bills & Income
2. Set schedule to be twice a year, for example on 20 July 2017 and 20 December 2017
3. Save
4. Reopen the scheduled transactions : the schedule has been converted from twice a year to yearly.

BUG 2
Steps to reproduce:
1. Do the same as above, but from one of the registered account this time.
2. Save.
3. Reopen from Bills & Income : the transaction shows as yearly instead of twice a year.

BUG 3
1. Do the same as bug 2, but reopen the transaction from the register this time.
2. Save.
3. The transaction disappears and a dialog shows: "Transaction cannot be displayed in this filtered view." But there are no filters currently in place ! The transaction also no longer appears in Bills & Income. Has it been deleted completely? It is still lurking somewhere?

John, Thanks for the clear repro steps.  I'm able to reproduce the issue and have filed a ticket.  We'll see if we can get it fixed in the next big release.  In other words, not 5.4.x but 5.5.  I agree with smayer97 that the filter that is in place is the one in the Account Settings.  This is terrible UX and very hidden.  In QWin it's in the register and we should probably move this there as well but just haven't done it yet.

smayer97

jacobs said:

I'm happy to see the ongoing incremental improvements in reports, but I continue to be frustrated with the report architecture that displays/prints subtotals on TOP of the data it totals. This is unlike any financial software I've ever used, and the reports are therefore unlike any financial reports I've ever read. Marcus, I hope moving subtotals below data (or at least an option to do so) is on your development roadmap. 

As much as I am really needing to see new report formats, especially columnar-type reports, which is the basis of so many reports, I am more inclined to say fix what is there first to get a complete set of features defined and working that should exist in a report, then replicate all the features into each new report. These include the following List of Requests for Report Related Features. 

If the reporting engine is designed correctly, the latter should be easy(ier) since all the report related features should be available in the engine, and should be a matter of activating them as necessary (more or less).

My thinking is that moving forward with new reports with features still left out means that all reports will appear half-baked...Just my opinion...

Quicken Marcus

John Morrow said:

There is a formatting issue for Mortgages when the currency is Euro. See for example below the gibberish character next to the Principal and Interest amounts.

Another good bug. 

Quicken Marcus

John Morrow said:

There is also a formatting issue in reports for All Transactions. Notice below how HTML spaces ( ) are visible :

I would put issues in my launch forum posts.  I or my head of test will go through these forums and write up tickets.  He rarely responds in the forum but he will review the comments in these posts and write up bugs in our bug database. 

Quicken Marcus

John Morrow said:

There is also a formatting issue in reports for All Transactions. Notice below how HTML spaces ( ) are visible :

I would put issues in my launch forum posts.  I or my head of test will go through these forums and write up tickets.  He rarely responds in the forum but he will review the comments in these posts and write up bugs in our bug database. 

jacobs

jacobs said:

I'm happy to see the ongoing incremental improvements in reports, but I continue to be frustrated with the report architecture that displays/prints subtotals on TOP of the data it totals. This is unlike any financial software I've ever used, and the reports are therefore unlike any financial reports I've ever read. Marcus, I hope moving subtotals below data (or at least an option to do so) is on your development roadmap. 

@smayer97: Ha ha, that's exactly what I was thinking in response to Marcus' comment, but I was afraid you'd yell at me that you need them to implement new reports!  

As Marcus says, both are needed, but it does seem to make sense to fill out the feature set first and then roll out that improved report system to more new reports.

smayer97

jacobs said:

I'm happy to see the ongoing incremental improvements in reports, but I continue to be frustrated with the report architecture that displays/prints subtotals on TOP of the data it totals. This is unlike any financial software I've ever used, and the reports are therefore unlike any financial reports I've ever read. Marcus, I hope moving subtotals below data (or at least an option to do so) is on your development roadmap. 

lol...nice...we're on the same page  :-)

I am more inclined to say get it right first, then replicate...I find that to be more efficient from a leverage perspective...

So it seems at least the three of us are in agreement :-) 

John Morrow

John Morrow said:

I have come across a few bugs around scheduled transactions with a non-monthly schedule... Maybe the refactoring currently in progress will be an opportunity to fix these? Details below.

BUG 1
Steps to reproduce:
1. Create a new scheduled transaction in Bills & Income
2. Set schedule to be twice a year, for example on 20 July 2017 and 20 December 2017
3. Save
4. Reopen the scheduled transactions : the schedule has been converted from twice a year to yearly.

BUG 2
Steps to reproduce:
1. Do the same as above, but from one of the registered account this time.
2. Save.
3. Reopen from Bills & Income : the transaction shows as yearly instead of twice a year.

BUG 3
1. Do the same as bug 2, but reopen the transaction from the register this time.
2. Save.
3. The transaction disappears and a dialog shows: "Transaction cannot be displayed in this filtered view." But there are no filters currently in place ! The transaction also no longer appears in Bills & Income. Has it been deleted completely? It is still lurking somewhere?

Thanks Marcus, good to hear. smayer97, ah yes, I forgot about this damm hidden option !

John Morrow

Marcus, is there any reason why the register toolbar is not present for Mortgages like it is for other account types? It would be handful to have the usual buttons available to, for example, press Reconcile (which I know you can get through other ways, but it has become a habit).

John Morrow

Actually, Accounts > Reconcile... is greyed out in the Menu bar... Any reason why?

John Morrow

John Morrow said:

Marcus, is there any reason why the register toolbar is not present for Mortgages like it is for other account types? It would be handful to have the usual buttons available to, for example, press Reconcile (which I know you can get through other ways, but it has become a habit).

Actually, Accounts > Reconcile... is greyed out in the Menu bar... Any reason why?

Unknown

rangersix said:

I just upgraded to Quicken for Mac 2018 v5.4.x and now I get this error all the time. This account does not to be updated it's just the value of my house and I input that manually.

Hi, I just updated the new release for my mac. I recently transferred Quicken over to my mac from a PC and updated the software from 2013. I thought I'd let you know two problems I'm having. Firstly, I've used "copy transaction" thousands of times with my old software. Sometimes I would copy a transaction and put it in a different account for important reasons. The new version for mac does not hot have a "copy transaction" menu. It only has a "duplicate transaction" and you can only duplicate the transaction in that specific account you are working in. It's very frustration. Also, one of my checking accounts does not show the balance in the account. I've tried everything from adding "balance" from the column menu to adding every column choice available etc. There are thousands of transaction in this checking account and future payments for the month and  I have no idea what my balance is unless I pull out a calculator to figure it out which defeats the purpose and because I can't copy a transactions to start a new checking account where the balance works in the account I'm basically stuck. If you could add a "copy transaction" in the next update it would really help. thanks so much, Paul Treppedi

Bobalaska

FYI in Mac version 5.4.2 there is a possible minor bug.  One of my IRA accounts was changed to a regular brokerage account when updating to latest version.. 

I was able to go into the account settings, change it back to IRA, and that seems to have taken care of it, i.e. not recurring when re-opening. 

Something similar had occurred with the same account when I first upgraded from 2015 to 2018 (I also recollect that when I went back to check 2017 the account had also changed but if so I fixed and can't replicate now). 

Just wanted to let you know.  I appreciate the regular updates that are being made.  Bodes well for the product.

Snoopy FC

RickO said:

Marcus... some nice additions here. There are some cosmetic problems with the new ability to customize Transaction Report columns:

1) The placement of the column customization is not consistent with other parts of the program. Here it is within Customize settings. In other places (e.g.. Portfolio View), there is a Columns button  on the row of buttons at the top. Other places, you can also right click on the column headers to choose columns. Both of the latter options would be preferred.

2) The Notes column should properly be called Memo/Notes to agree with the registers.

3) When you add a column such as Memo/Notes, it gets added quite wide which pushes the Amount column off screen to the right. That might not be such a problem as long as the user notices and resizes columns. But... the column width settings don't stick; they again become very wide as soon as you leave the report and return to it.

4) What is the ATTM column? That's not a column in a transaction register. Is it a misnomer for something else?

One more suggestion: (and this applies throughout the program)... In other Mac programs there is sometimes a convention that shift-clicking or command-clicking on a disclosure triangle will collapse all (if you click on an open one), or expand all (if you click on a closed one). That would be very helpful throughout Quicken. This could also be accomplished with little Expand All and Collapse All buttons on the button row.

Did anyone mention that the memo/notes for split transactions aren't shown?  Also, the dollar value of each transaction doesn't print. 

Snoopy FC

RickO said:

Marcus... some nice additions here. There are some cosmetic problems with the new ability to customize Transaction Report columns:

1) The placement of the column customization is not consistent with other parts of the program. Here it is within Customize settings. In other places (e.g.. Portfolio View), there is a Columns button  on the row of buttons at the top. Other places, you can also right click on the column headers to choose columns. Both of the latter options would be preferred.

2) The Notes column should properly be called Memo/Notes to agree with the registers.

3) When you add a column such as Memo/Notes, it gets added quite wide which pushes the Amount column off screen to the right. That might not be such a problem as long as the user notices and resizes columns. But... the column width settings don't stick; they again become very wide as soon as you leave the report and return to it.

4) What is the ATTM column? That's not a column in a transaction register. Is it a misnomer for something else?

One more suggestion: (and this applies throughout the program)... In other Mac programs there is sometimes a convention that shift-clicking or command-clicking on a disclosure triangle will collapse all (if you click on an open one), or expand all (if you click on a closed one). That would be very helpful throughout Quicken. This could also be accomplished with little Expand All and Collapse All buttons on the button row.

Did anyone mention that the memo/notes for split transactions aren't shown?  Also, the dollar value of each transaction doesn't print. 

Snoopy FC

jlgg said:

I just downloaded 5.4.2.  I know Marcus stated we would temporarily lose ability in Comparison Reports to drill down to register, but I noticed we also lost the ability to automatically show memos when clicking on categories. I can customize to show memo/notes but I have to do it each time I select a category.  Moreover, memos from split transactions don't appear at all.  For me, individually, the old Comparison Report was more useable.

I noticed the same issues.  The drill down ability is particularly hard to live without.  Also noticed that the transaction amounts aren't printed when you print a comparison report.  

smayer97

rangersix said:

I just upgraded to Quicken for Mac 2018 v5.4.x and now I get this error all the time. This account does not to be updated it's just the value of my house and I input that manually.

The first one gets the job done but it is clumsier than the ability to do a copy and paste...

Jeff189

I cannot get this update to install. When prompted to install the update, I click "Install and Relaunch" it pops up an message saying that an error occurred while extracting the archive. Please try again later. I've tried about 20 times now. I've rebooted my mac in between tries, and that does not help. I'm currently on Version 4.6.7 (Build 46.19238.100)

Craig in ER

RickO said:

Marcus... some nice additions here. There are some cosmetic problems with the new ability to customize Transaction Report columns:

1) The placement of the column customization is not consistent with other parts of the program. Here it is within Customize settings. In other places (e.g.. Portfolio View), there is a Columns button  on the row of buttons at the top. Other places, you can also right click on the column headers to choose columns. Both of the latter options would be preferred.

2) The Notes column should properly be called Memo/Notes to agree with the registers.

3) When you add a column such as Memo/Notes, it gets added quite wide which pushes the Amount column off screen to the right. That might not be such a problem as long as the user notices and resizes columns. But... the column width settings don't stick; they again become very wide as soon as you leave the report and return to it.

4) What is the ATTM column? That's not a column in a transaction register. Is it a misnomer for something else?

One more suggestion: (and this applies throughout the program)... In other Mac programs there is sometimes a convention that shift-clicking or command-clicking on a disclosure triangle will collapse all (if you click on an open one), or expand all (if you click on a closed one). That would be very helpful throughout Quicken. This could also be accomplished with little Expand All and Collapse All buttons on the button row.

Yes, I found this too.  And, if you add the Check # column the check numbers show on the screen but do not print.  Also, if you do a CSV export the same data that does not print does not export either.

Jeff189

Jeff said:

I cannot get this update to install. When prompted to install the update, I click "Install and Relaunch" it pops up an message saying that an error occurred while extracting the archive. Please try again later. I've tried about 20 times now. I've rebooted my mac in between tries, and that does not help. I'm currently on Version 4.6.7 (Build 46.19238.100)

Thanks Rick. Unfortunately, I'm still being prompted to install the update every time I launch. 

macuser_22

I have noticed a change in the way that QM2018 handles reinvestment of dividends.


With QM2017 security dividends transactions were listed as Type="Dividend Income" with a "Cash In" amount.  Then if reinvested there was a second transaction Type="Buy" with a "Cash Out" amount.

With QM2018 the Type for that is now a single "Reinvest Dividend" with "Cash In" and "Cash Out" being zero.

There seems to be no easy way to actually see the dollar amount of the dividends received without editing the reinvest transaction which then displays the dividend amount and total cost.

It would be nice to be able to see that information directly in the transaction window with a user option column like the other columns.

In the investment transaction view how about adding a column for dividends?

It would also be nice to have a Symbol column to display the security symbol in the transaction window.

Scott Schmidt

Can this be FIXED soon?

When entering QM2007 investment transactions, there are four fields that are entered in the register - number of shares, $ amount of transaction, commission, and share price. The share price is back-calculated from the first three parameters. Occasionally if one of the first three fields is edited during the transaction entry, the share price does not get updated properly and the transaction ends up being entered with this field having an incorrect value (i.e. it is not consistent with the shares/$/commission fields). This is no big deal because this share value doesn't seem to be used for much in QM2007.
   However, when importing this faulty transaction into QM2018, the total transaction cost is calculated from the number of shares, commission, and the (possibly incorrect) share price. This results in the transaction $ amount being incorrect, and the account cash balance starts to diverge from that in the QM2007 register.

You are correct. But it doesn't take an "incorrect" share price to trigger the problem.

When entering investment transactions in Quicken 2007, number of shares, share price, commission, and total cost are equally important. Enter any three numbers and Quicken will calculate the other value. 

And, Q2007 will accept a transaction if the math works with rounding. For example, consider a mutual fund purchase of $5,000, where the closing NAV was $48.74. The mutual fund company will take $5,000 divided by $48.74 equals 102.5851, which the fund company rounds to 102.585 shares. Quicken would allow the transaction to be entered as Buy 102.585 shares at $48.74, for $5,000 total.

In Quicken 2016 and later, the share price is a derived field: transaction cost divided by number of shares gives the share price, to 6 decimal places, far more than the stock market actually supports. In Quicken 2018 you can't even enter the share price in a transaction. If the above transaction were originally entered in Q2018, it would calculate $5,000 cost divided by 102.585 shares equals $48.740069 share price.  

What is happening on the import is bizarre:

1. The import completely ignores the total transaction cost that was entered in Q2007.
   
2. It calculates a new, bogus total transaction cost: number of shares times the share price that was in the Q2007 transaction.
   
3. Then it takes the total transaction cost that it fabricated, which may not match the actual transaction, and uses that to derive a new share price: total transaction cost divided by number of shares, to 6 decimal places.

In the example above, it would first calculate a transaction cost of 102.585 shares times $48.74 equals $4,999.99. Then use that to derive new price: $4,999.99 divided by 102.585 is $48.739972. Which isn't even the share price that the same transaction would calculate if it were originally entered in Q2018!

The major error here is that Quicken is forgetting that total cost should be sacrosanct on the import, since that's what determines your cash balance. So if you have an account with a lot of history, the errors accumulate, until the account balance is wildly off.

I have reported this bug to Intuit, and now Quicken, on every beta test since the new Quicken started supporting investment transactions. It is one of many data loss issues that are blocking me from upgrading.

John Morrow

It looks as if the "Loans:Loan Interest" category is hardcoded as a string instead of being referenced by id in the Edit Loan & Payment Terms dialog box.

STEPS TO REPRODUCE:
1. Edit categories
2. Rename "Loans:Loan Interest" to, for example : "Emprunts:Intérêts Emprunt" (YMMV)
3. Create a new Loan
4. Save the Loan
5. The split scheduled transaction uses "Loans:Loan Interest" instead of "Emprunts:Intérêts Emprunt" and a new category "Loans:Loan Interest" has been created.

John Morrow

Top categories are either "Expenses" or "Income", but there are cases when one would like to regroup sub-categories of both Income and Expense types (I have several such cases, personally). Quicken disallows this for customers, but, under the hood, it uses it in a number of occasions : Investments, Transfer, etc.. I would like this possibility to be opened up to us mere mortals.

STEPS TO REPRODUCE:
1. Create a new top level category
2. There is a choice only between Income and Expense types, and NOT "either"

This is likely going to be controversial. No flames please! 

John Morrow

Account > Reconcile shows incorrect balances of downloaded transactions.

STEPS TO REPRODUCE:
1. Edit account
2. Setup transaction download
3. Select Web Connect
4. Update, then reconcile account
6. The Online Balance is shown as -1,00 €, even though the QFX ledger and available balances are  -606.98 €  (see example below)

<LEDGERBAL><BALAMT>-606.98<DTASOF>20171216
</LEDGERBAL>
<AVAILBAL><BALAMT>-606.98
<DTASOF>20171216</AVAILBAL>

John Morrow

Transactions move to an unexpected date after matching.

STEPS TO REPRODUCE:
1. Enter transaction manually in the register, set date to 20171211 for example
2. Update account. This downloads (but does not match) a similar transaction. The date is 20171213
3. Drag & drop transaction 2. above on transaction 1. to match
4. The date of the combined transaction switches suddenly, and unexpectedly, to 20180201

NOTES
- This does occur for about half the transactions from the same QFX. I couldn't figure out why
- The "unexpected" date seems to be coming from the <DTPOSTED> QFX tag

<STMTTRN>
<TRNTYPE>DEBIT
<DTPOSTED>20180102
<DTUSER>20171213
<TRNAMT>-24.00
<FITID>ce9f946c
<NAME>Le chatham
</STMTTRN>

Craig in ER

I don't know if this is related to your experience but I was having a similar experience (but not the exact same)
I unchecked "Use posted date for matched transactions (instead of the date you entered manually) in Quicken Preferences > Connected Services.
After doing that I am satisfied with the download date/transaction matching that occurs.

John Morrow

Craig in ER said:

I don't know if this is related to your experience but I was having a similar experience (but not the exact same)
I unchecked "Use posted date for matched transactions (instead of the date you entered manually) in Quicken Preferences > Connected Services.
After doing that I am satisfied with the download date/transaction matching that occurs.

I see, thanks. I have unchecked the option. However, it's weird it did not apply it automatically for all transactions.