Give us the ability to Rearrange Columns

in the register view
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  • UKR
    UKR SuperUser ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 18
    More details, please.
    What exactly are you trying to do?
    A limited way of rearranging columns is available in banking account registers in Quicken for Windows. Go to Edit / Preferences Register to see the options.
    You can add or delete columns from the register view by selecting the Register Columns gear icon. For example, if you don't use Tags, delete the Tag column.
    You can change the register view and toggle between 1-line and 2-lines-per-transactions modes by pressing CTRL-2
    There's currently no way to rearrange columns in the investment register view other than changing between 1- and 2-line modes. To do so go into Edit / Preferences / Investment transactions and change the "List display" option.
  • Specifically - I would like to be able to move the Cleared column from the right of the Payment column over by the Date column. So that it's a little easier to see when I last reconciled. I also might rather have the Payment and Deposit columns closer to the Payee column. I look for the amount I paid someone more often than the Category, the Tag, or the Memo.

    Also, I thought I posted this in the Suggestions thread.

    Thanks
  • smayer97
    smayer97 SuperUser, Mac Beta, Canada Beta ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, this IS in the suggested IDEAs section. ;)
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  • shopthomas13
    shopthomas13 Member ✭✭
    I am new to Windows 2020 Deluxe from Mac 2020 Deluxe.
    I thought I wasn't doing something right because I couldn't move columns either.
    Such a simple task....why would the Mac version do something the Windows won't?
    I am truly not liking this software now.
  • smayer97
    smayer97 SuperUser, Mac Beta, Canada Beta ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am new to Windows 2020 Deluxe from Mac 2020 Deluxe.
    I thought I wasn't doing something right because I couldn't move columns either.
    Such a simple task....why would the Mac version do something the Windows won't?
    Because QMac is being built from the ground up so they are able to do things differently. That said, that is also one reason why so many other features are still missing from QMac.

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  • apb5309
    apb5309 Member
    why can I not move my "memo" column, in my register to show after "categories"
  • Rocket J Squirrel
    Rocket J Squirrel SuperUser, Windows Beta ✭✭✭✭✭
    apb5309 said:
    why can I not move my "memo" column, in my register to show after "categories"
    You can. Edit > Preferences > Register, un-check "Show memo before category".
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  • captgpl
    captgpl Member
    I agree with apb5309 on 1/20/21. When we are entering batches of data, the MANDATORY Fields should come first: Date/Check #/Payee/Amount/Category, then followed by the OPTIONAL Fields of Comments and Tag. Not all entries require Comments.
  • ARandomUser
    ARandomUser Member ✭✭
    Why is this even a discussion? With any modern application I think the ability to move columns around via drag-and-drop and arrange in any order that works for you and save the layout is basic functionality.
  • Chris_QPW
    Chris_QPW Member ✭✭✭✭
    Why is this even a discussion? With any modern application I think the ability to move columns around via drag-and-drop and arrange in any order that works for you and save the layout is basic functionality.
    What makes you think that Quicken Windows is a modern application?
    Quicken is over 30 years old and it certainly shows it age in certain areas.

    The register code is definitely one place where that is.  It a custom set of controls and such that were created many years ago.  I'm sure it is nightmare to work in that area.

    This is in fact the area that the Quicken Mac developers called out as "unmaintainable" on Quicken Mac when they started a complete rewrite of Quicken Mac in 2007.
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  • ARandomUser
    ARandomUser Member ✭✭
    > @Chris_QPW said:
    > What makes you think that Quicken Windows is a modern application?
    > Quicken is over 30 years old and it certainly shows it age in certain areas.

    Maybe I am giving them too much credit here. We are paying for this thing, they really should spend fewer development cycles on connectivity and integration and more time on the UI and general user experience. It is a grid control, swap it out for a better one and you have taken a big step forward.
  • jtemplin
    jtemplin Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 19
    We are paying for this thing, they really should spend fewer development cycles on connectivity and integration and more time on the UI and general user experience.
    If you spend any time at all in these forums, the biggest gripe users have is connectivity, e.g. "why have downloads from BigHonking Bank stopped working?" Quicken is being admirably responsive to their biggest complaints.

    As a career software developer, "it is a grid control, swap it out for a better one" overlooks all the deep tendrils the register has into other parts of the software. Splits, tags, transfers, searching, etc. come immediately to mind. It's stable, and it works. The register is the heart of the system. Personally, I don't blame Quicken at all for not wanting to mess with it. Look at the mess caused by trying to rewrite the Mac version. That tells you all you need to know.

    Your suggestion is a "nice to have" not a "must have." 
  • Chris_QPW
    Chris_QPW Member ✭✭✭✭
    @jtemplin you nailed!  I'm also a software developer (over 40 years), and couldn't agree more.  I think the only thing worst than changing things in the non investment account register, must be changing things in the investment register!  That is even a worse mess.  You will notice that they finally put in the ability to make changes to multiple transactions.  They did it by bringing up a separate window that you check off the transactions you want to change on.  And of course that leads to the question of why they didn't just allow multiple select in the investment register.  And I think the answer is obvious, trying to do that would be next to impossible.  I have looked at those controls in "spy" and they are a whole bunch of separate controls.  It is no wonder they don't do things the "right way" and that area has all kinds of "focus", and performance problems.

    For the record Quicken Mac did get the feature of being able to reorder the columns in the register, and select the columns they want displayed.  But that certainly didn't come for free.  Not only do you have all the years of development just to get close to what they had before (in some cases more, but little of that) and still no where near what Quicken Windows Deluxe has, there were other "concessions" made.

    There isn't any two line register mode.  There isn't any alternate line coloring.  There isn't any ability to change the fonts.  To add a new transaction you select Command N, because there isn't any blank transaction selection to add the next transaction (this one was called out by the Mac developers as something that caused a lot of the reported bugs because it was "different" than the rest of the register "grid").  Oh and no Downloaded Transactions tab.  They only have "automatic transaction entry mode", where you review the transactions in the register (which I like, but there are tons of long time users that really hate this).

    All of these differences are there because the built-in "grid" controls would have to have custom code that basically makes them not "generic" and leads down that same path of having a very complicated, hard to maintain code.

    Some of these will most likely get changed as they have time and as the users pressure them, but caving to that pressure isn't always the best thing for the program in the long run.
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