Is Quicken for Mac 2007 (QM2007) Compatible with High Sierra (macOS 10.13)?

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  • jacobs
    jacobs SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    edited January 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

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    "10.7 Lion" is what you want. But...

    If it says "application must be updated to the latest build 16.2.4", it sounds like it might be a CD of the original Quicken 2017 For Lion release, which was version 16.1.4 (or 16.1.x). It used to be that if you had this version, you could just do "Check for Updates" and it would update to the latest version, which is 16.2.4. (There were various bugs and issues with some of the earlier 16.2 releases.)

    But here's my concern: I'm not certain whether the update server where Quicken 16.1 would check for an update is a now-defunct Intuit server, and the attempt to update to Quicken 16.2.4 would fail. I don't know this for certain, and I have no way to test it.

    When I launch Quicken 16.2.4 and run "Check for Updates", it does display a box saying I'm up-to-date with the latest version -- which suggests it's "phoning home" successfully. I just don't know if a 16.1 version would update successfully or not.

    If this is something on eBay, I'd suggest contacting the seller and asking if they would refund your money in full if you buy it and if the update to 16.2.4 is not available online. Hopefully, if it's a reputable seller, they'd agree. If it's no risk, and you can return it if it doesn't work, then you're in business. If it's being sold "as is" with no guarantee it can be updated to the current version, then I might look elsewhere. (Unless any other Quicken 2007 experts here are convinced it will definitively work.)
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  • Unknown
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    edited January 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

    Thank you so much for your reply, I really appreciate it. Yes, it is on eBay and the seller said it contained the free upgrade which to me sounds like something that is not available at all anywhere now. I did find a friend in Florida that has this 16.2.4 version of Quicken. So maybe I can update from that in 2 months when he gets back.  It's nerve racking to have so much riding on keeping this going.  You are so great with your helpful comments. 
  • jacobs
    jacobs SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    edited January 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

    Great, I'm glad you were able to find a source for the updated version of Quicken 2007 so you can set it up on your newer Mac.

    Now, that said, let's look ahead a little. It's great you're able to find a way to keep your Quicken 2007 going longer, but you need to know it's not a long-term solution. This software is more than 11 years old. It will very likely fail under future updates to the Mac operating system. As long as you don't upgrade your macOS, your Quicken 2007 should continue to work. But your macOS won't be getting security updates, and eventually you'll want to update. Hopefully you've bought yourself enough time for the development of the current Quicken 2018 to add some of the reports and other features which Quicken 2007 users are waiting for.

    I am concerned that you said you attempted to upgrade to Quicken 2018 and your data didn't import correctly. We didn't delve into what didn't work right, and don't need to do so now, but there's a good chance that whenever you eventually do upgrade from Quicken 2007, you're going to have to deal with those problems.

    Meanwhile, one more word of caution: since your Quicken data is clearly so critical for you, make sure you have multiple levels of backup of your data. Quicken 2007's auto backup gives you a small number of copies from recent days -- but that's not enough. You could experience file corruption with Quicken 2007 and not know it immediately, and later discover you require access to an older version of your file. Or your Mac's hard drive could die. There are lots of viable backup strategies, including an external drive using the Mac's included Time Machine software, copying backup files to iCloud or Dropbox, automated cloud backup like BackBlaze, or manually copying backup files periodically to an external drive you keep offsite -- or a combination of these approaches (which is what I do and recommend). If your data is critical to you, then don't neglect backups; sooner or later you'll likely need one.
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  • smayer97
    smayer97 SuperUser ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

    BTW, to the issue of security updates...if/when it comes time that QM2007 no longer works on the latest version of Mac OS, the alternative is to create a VM (Virtual Machine) and install a compatible macOS version but only use the VM to run QM2007 and not access the internet. Then there is little risk of issues regarding security. So there are alternatives for those willing and able to go there.

    BUT all that is for another time...as long as you keep your Mac OS at or below macOS 10.13 High Sierra, QM2007 LC still works.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

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  • smayer97
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    edited January 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

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    Also, do get the eBay software, especially if your friend has v16.2.4 because if you try to perform the internal update and it fails, you would not be violating any license to get his updated version.

    BUT do try the built-in update and report back so we can all know what the current status is regarding this.

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  • smayer97
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    edited April 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

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    Actually GOOD NEWS!!!. I decided to pull out an old copy of v16.1.4 and tried the Check for Updates menu...this is what I got:

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    And when I click Install Update, it does (to v16.2.4)! So the update process still works.

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  • jacobs
    jacobs SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    edited January 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

    It's beyond remarkable that whatever server Quicken 2007 connects to is still running and still at the same address, and that the update for 16.2.4 is still available to download!  :)

    Editing to add: Note that this will will only work for people who have the 16.1.4 Quicken Lion Compatible version. It will NOT upgrade people with 16.0 (the original Power PC version) to 16.2.4. But it does mean if you can find the Quicken for Lion version on Ebay or elsewhere, you can be updated to the latest version that still works on the modern macOS.
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  • smayer97
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

    Which also raises the question as to whether or not Quicken Support still have access to the software to make available as needed. I still think, if one finds the right listening ear, it would still be able to be obtained.

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  • jacobs
    jacobs SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    edited January 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

    It seems to me we've had multiple people post here since the Quicken 2007 discontinuation became official last fall that no amount of asking or begging has been able to get Quicken to give out that software. It may be they just don't want to, but they clearly do with Windows users to help them upgrade to the current version; I wonder if it might have to do with whatever licensing deal they had for the software that somehow enabled the LC version to function with the absence of Rosetta in the operating system. (Which, as you recall, required them to do some goofy things, like charge for it, not advertise or promote the web page it could be ordered from, etc.) In any case, I think it's time to stop suggesting to users that they contact Quicken to try to obtain it, because we've tried that with a bunch of users who have run into a brick wall.
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  • Unknown
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    edited January 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

    Thank you!!! I am beyond grateful for your generous expertise. I will look at the update, I have the Mac version 16.0-R1. I do run a balance report from the previous year to see if the files are okay before I copy the file to an external g drive. I do that every day I use the program.

    I did call tech support hoping I might find a sympathetic ear, but that didn't work.

    What happened in the transfer to the 2018 program was 45 transactions got marked as imported orphan transfer...."because they were originally transfers but could not be matched." So a few accounts were off by not a whole lot from transactions over 8 years ago. I could do balance adjustment to move forward, but it still wouldn't be the same program that could pull up payroll reports etc.

    I am hopeful this will work, thank you, which is far better than drowning in dread.
  • smayer97
    smayer97 SuperUser ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

    ... that no amount of asking or begging has been able to get Quicken to give out that software. 
    Actually, that is not quite accurate...First, the key is that a user MUST HAVE a new version of QMac to even qualify. They will definitely NOT give it out just like that.

    Second, I do not recall the exact timing but there was one user who did post in the last few months that was successful, after others posted they could not get it. Not saying it would still happen, but it seems to be more the luck of the draw. 

    Anyway, in this case, this point is moot, as all is required is to purchase any LC version and the server will update it.

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  • Unknown
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    Hello - I have read all this with much appreciation as I've also been running QM2007 since its inception and, like many, live in terror of losing it.  Although from what I glean, I don't use the majority of the functions people seem to be worrying about.  I manually add to the registers, do no online connecting and the only Reports I really care about is the Income Statements.  Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc.  Ergo I'd like to keep my QM2007 as long as possible!

    I have two separate situations:

    1. My Home

    My home is on a 5 year old iMac running El Capitan at the moment, but I had a severe HD crash last weekend and seem to have solved it with a complete erase and reinstall of the OS (restoring from a bootable clone).  I do use TM for backups to a TC, but I also make a bootable clone once a week to an external HD (this is what saved me last weekend!)

    At some point, I will likely have to soon replace that Mac which will force the use of High Sierra (as the new ones come with it).

    Just so I am clear from all the posts above: 

    a) Can I partition the existing HFS+ internal drive without losing any of my current set up? (I have 3/4s of HD space available).

    b) If I bother to do that and move the main data file and my automated backup files onto that new HFS+ internal partition, I presume that if I ever tried to upgrade the internal HD to High Sierra it would not leave the internal partition as HFS+, but would still make the entire HD APFS and I'd be out of luck.  So...

    c) If instead I keep an HFS+ partition on an external drive and keep my main data file and my automated backup files onto that, is it correct that I could be logged into the main (new or updated with High Sierra) computer running QM2007 and it would just "find", Open on launch and backup on Quit the previous data file?  (I presume the first time I'd have to tell it where to look, yes?)  LOL!

    2. My Office

    I'm having to finally replace my much older iMac at work with a brand new one ordered with a fusion drive.  I have zero experience working with a fusion drive, and the new Mac comes with High Sierra already installed.  I have not even opened the box yet, but need to start setting this up this weekend.

    Am I understanding correctly here that I could still keep the QM2007 main data file and automated backup files in the new Fusion HD and run with no problem?  Or should I also run this from an external HD on an HFS+ partition to be safe?

    Thanks in advance for any responses!
  • RickO
    RickO SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    edited January 2018
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    Arlette said:

    Hello - I have read all this with much appreciation as I've also been running QM2007 since its inception and, like many, live in terror of losing it.  Although from what I glean, I don't use the majority of the functions people seem to be worrying about.  I manually add to the registers, do no online connecting and the only Reports I really care about is the Income Statements.  Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc.  Ergo I'd like to keep my QM2007 as long as possible!

    I have two separate situations:

    1. My Home

    My home is on a 5 year old iMac running El Capitan at the moment, but I had a severe HD crash last weekend and seem to have solved it with a complete erase and reinstall of the OS (restoring from a bootable clone).  I do use TM for backups to a TC, but I also make a bootable clone once a week to an external HD (this is what saved me last weekend!)

    At some point, I will likely have to soon replace that Mac which will force the use of High Sierra (as the new ones come with it).

    Just so I am clear from all the posts above: 

    a) Can I partition the existing HFS+ internal drive without losing any of my current set up? (I have 3/4s of HD space available).

    b) If I bother to do that and move the main data file and my automated backup files onto that new HFS+ internal partition, I presume that if I ever tried to upgrade the internal HD to High Sierra it would not leave the internal partition as HFS+, but would still make the entire HD APFS and I'd be out of luck.  So...

    c) If instead I keep an HFS+ partition on an external drive and keep my main data file and my automated backup files onto that, is it correct that I could be logged into the main (new or updated with High Sierra) computer running QM2007 and it would just "find", Open on launch and backup on Quit the previous data file?  (I presume the first time I'd have to tell it where to look, yes?)  LOL!

    2. My Office

    I'm having to finally replace my much older iMac at work with a brand new one ordered with a fusion drive.  I have zero experience working with a fusion drive, and the new Mac comes with High Sierra already installed.  I have not even opened the box yet, but need to start setting this up this weekend.

    Am I understanding correctly here that I could still keep the QM2007 main data file and automated backup files in the new Fusion HD and run with no problem?  Or should I also run this from an external HD on an HFS+ partition to be safe?

    Thanks in advance for any responses!

    Arlette.. Re this:
    Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc
    Not sure where you got this idea, but it is just patently wrong. If you purchase QM2018 Deluxe or Premier editions, when the subscription expires, you can continue to use the program just as before, but without online connectivity. You do not need to continue the subscription to use the program offline. And if you are using it offline, then security updates are pretty much irrelevant. 

    See this:

    https://www.quicken.com/support/what-quicken-data-access-guarantee
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  • tmplee
    tmplee Member ✭✭
    edited January 2018
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    Arlette said:

    Hello - I have read all this with much appreciation as I've also been running QM2007 since its inception and, like many, live in terror of losing it.  Although from what I glean, I don't use the majority of the functions people seem to be worrying about.  I manually add to the registers, do no online connecting and the only Reports I really care about is the Income Statements.  Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc.  Ergo I'd like to keep my QM2007 as long as possible!

    I have two separate situations:

    1. My Home

    My home is on a 5 year old iMac running El Capitan at the moment, but I had a severe HD crash last weekend and seem to have solved it with a complete erase and reinstall of the OS (restoring from a bootable clone).  I do use TM for backups to a TC, but I also make a bootable clone once a week to an external HD (this is what saved me last weekend!)

    At some point, I will likely have to soon replace that Mac which will force the use of High Sierra (as the new ones come with it).

    Just so I am clear from all the posts above: 

    a) Can I partition the existing HFS+ internal drive without losing any of my current set up? (I have 3/4s of HD space available).

    b) If I bother to do that and move the main data file and my automated backup files onto that new HFS+ internal partition, I presume that if I ever tried to upgrade the internal HD to High Sierra it would not leave the internal partition as HFS+, but would still make the entire HD APFS and I'd be out of luck.  So...

    c) If instead I keep an HFS+ partition on an external drive and keep my main data file and my automated backup files onto that, is it correct that I could be logged into the main (new or updated with High Sierra) computer running QM2007 and it would just "find", Open on launch and backup on Quit the previous data file?  (I presume the first time I'd have to tell it where to look, yes?)  LOL!

    2. My Office

    I'm having to finally replace my much older iMac at work with a brand new one ordered with a fusion drive.  I have zero experience working with a fusion drive, and the new Mac comes with High Sierra already installed.  I have not even opened the box yet, but need to start setting this up this weekend.

    Am I understanding correctly here that I could still keep the QM2007 main data file and automated backup files in the new Fusion HD and run with no problem?  Or should I also run this from an external HD on an HFS+ partition to be safe?

    Thanks in advance for any responses!

    Question: does anyone know if you need the subscription just to use the quote server? That’s the only on-line aspect of QM2007 that I use, and of course am not paying any kind of fee for it.
  • RickO
    RickO SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    edited January 2018
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    Arlette said:

    Hello - I have read all this with much appreciation as I've also been running QM2007 since its inception and, like many, live in terror of losing it.  Although from what I glean, I don't use the majority of the functions people seem to be worrying about.  I manually add to the registers, do no online connecting and the only Reports I really care about is the Income Statements.  Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc.  Ergo I'd like to keep my QM2007 as long as possible!

    I have two separate situations:

    1. My Home

    My home is on a 5 year old iMac running El Capitan at the moment, but I had a severe HD crash last weekend and seem to have solved it with a complete erase and reinstall of the OS (restoring from a bootable clone).  I do use TM for backups to a TC, but I also make a bootable clone once a week to an external HD (this is what saved me last weekend!)

    At some point, I will likely have to soon replace that Mac which will force the use of High Sierra (as the new ones come with it).

    Just so I am clear from all the posts above: 

    a) Can I partition the existing HFS+ internal drive without losing any of my current set up? (I have 3/4s of HD space available).

    b) If I bother to do that and move the main data file and my automated backup files onto that new HFS+ internal partition, I presume that if I ever tried to upgrade the internal HD to High Sierra it would not leave the internal partition as HFS+, but would still make the entire HD APFS and I'd be out of luck.  So...

    c) If instead I keep an HFS+ partition on an external drive and keep my main data file and my automated backup files onto that, is it correct that I could be logged into the main (new or updated with High Sierra) computer running QM2007 and it would just "find", Open on launch and backup on Quit the previous data file?  (I presume the first time I'd have to tell it where to look, yes?)  LOL!

    2. My Office

    I'm having to finally replace my much older iMac at work with a brand new one ordered with a fusion drive.  I have zero experience working with a fusion drive, and the new Mac comes with High Sierra already installed.  I have not even opened the box yet, but need to start setting this up this weekend.

    Am I understanding correctly here that I could still keep the QM2007 main data file and automated backup files in the new Fusion HD and run with no problem?  Or should I also run this from an external HD on an HFS+ partition to be safe?

    Thanks in advance for any responses!

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  • tmplee
    tmplee Member ✭✭
    edited January 2018
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    Arlette said:

    Hello - I have read all this with much appreciation as I've also been running QM2007 since its inception and, like many, live in terror of losing it.  Although from what I glean, I don't use the majority of the functions people seem to be worrying about.  I manually add to the registers, do no online connecting and the only Reports I really care about is the Income Statements.  Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc.  Ergo I'd like to keep my QM2007 as long as possible!

    I have two separate situations:

    1. My Home

    My home is on a 5 year old iMac running El Capitan at the moment, but I had a severe HD crash last weekend and seem to have solved it with a complete erase and reinstall of the OS (restoring from a bootable clone).  I do use TM for backups to a TC, but I also make a bootable clone once a week to an external HD (this is what saved me last weekend!)

    At some point, I will likely have to soon replace that Mac which will force the use of High Sierra (as the new ones come with it).

    Just so I am clear from all the posts above: 

    a) Can I partition the existing HFS+ internal drive without losing any of my current set up? (I have 3/4s of HD space available).

    b) If I bother to do that and move the main data file and my automated backup files onto that new HFS+ internal partition, I presume that if I ever tried to upgrade the internal HD to High Sierra it would not leave the internal partition as HFS+, but would still make the entire HD APFS and I'd be out of luck.  So...

    c) If instead I keep an HFS+ partition on an external drive and keep my main data file and my automated backup files onto that, is it correct that I could be logged into the main (new or updated with High Sierra) computer running QM2007 and it would just "find", Open on launch and backup on Quit the previous data file?  (I presume the first time I'd have to tell it where to look, yes?)  LOL!

    2. My Office

    I'm having to finally replace my much older iMac at work with a brand new one ordered with a fusion drive.  I have zero experience working with a fusion drive, and the new Mac comes with High Sierra already installed.  I have not even opened the box yet, but need to start setting this up this weekend.

    Am I understanding correctly here that I could still keep the QM2007 main data file and automated backup files in the new Fusion HD and run with no problem?  Or should I also run this from an external HD on an HFS+ partition to be safe?

    Thanks in advance for any responses!

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  • Unknown
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    edited January 2018
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    Arlette said:

    Hello - I have read all this with much appreciation as I've also been running QM2007 since its inception and, like many, live in terror of losing it.  Although from what I glean, I don't use the majority of the functions people seem to be worrying about.  I manually add to the registers, do no online connecting and the only Reports I really care about is the Income Statements.  Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc.  Ergo I'd like to keep my QM2007 as long as possible!

    I have two separate situations:

    1. My Home

    My home is on a 5 year old iMac running El Capitan at the moment, but I had a severe HD crash last weekend and seem to have solved it with a complete erase and reinstall of the OS (restoring from a bootable clone).  I do use TM for backups to a TC, but I also make a bootable clone once a week to an external HD (this is what saved me last weekend!)

    At some point, I will likely have to soon replace that Mac which will force the use of High Sierra (as the new ones come with it).

    Just so I am clear from all the posts above: 

    a) Can I partition the existing HFS+ internal drive without losing any of my current set up? (I have 3/4s of HD space available).

    b) If I bother to do that and move the main data file and my automated backup files onto that new HFS+ internal partition, I presume that if I ever tried to upgrade the internal HD to High Sierra it would not leave the internal partition as HFS+, but would still make the entire HD APFS and I'd be out of luck.  So...

    c) If instead I keep an HFS+ partition on an external drive and keep my main data file and my automated backup files onto that, is it correct that I could be logged into the main (new or updated with High Sierra) computer running QM2007 and it would just "find", Open on launch and backup on Quit the previous data file?  (I presume the first time I'd have to tell it where to look, yes?)  LOL!

    2. My Office

    I'm having to finally replace my much older iMac at work with a brand new one ordered with a fusion drive.  I have zero experience working with a fusion drive, and the new Mac comes with High Sierra already installed.  I have not even opened the box yet, but need to start setting this up this weekend.

    Am I understanding correctly here that I could still keep the QM2007 main data file and automated backup files in the new Fusion HD and run with no problem?  Or should I also run this from an external HD on an HFS+ partition to be safe?

    Thanks in advance for any responses!

    Thanks for your response Rick, but I get the idea from looking at the 2018 choices they have that all quote a price per year.  I don't consider software updates to be irrelevant if I'm not going online with them.  I have lots of software that gets updates, upgrades and fixes that don't do anything online, but primarily become necessary to work with OS updates and printers, etc.  The link you provided also says you will cease to have access to Support.

    In any event I am hoping to find answers to my more pressing questions about how to keep QM2007 with my new set ups.

    Thanks!
  • RickO
    RickO SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    edited January 2018
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    Arlette said:

    Hello - I have read all this with much appreciation as I've also been running QM2007 since its inception and, like many, live in terror of losing it.  Although from what I glean, I don't use the majority of the functions people seem to be worrying about.  I manually add to the registers, do no online connecting and the only Reports I really care about is the Income Statements.  Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc.  Ergo I'd like to keep my QM2007 as long as possible!

    I have two separate situations:

    1. My Home

    My home is on a 5 year old iMac running El Capitan at the moment, but I had a severe HD crash last weekend and seem to have solved it with a complete erase and reinstall of the OS (restoring from a bootable clone).  I do use TM for backups to a TC, but I also make a bootable clone once a week to an external HD (this is what saved me last weekend!)

    At some point, I will likely have to soon replace that Mac which will force the use of High Sierra (as the new ones come with it).

    Just so I am clear from all the posts above: 

    a) Can I partition the existing HFS+ internal drive without losing any of my current set up? (I have 3/4s of HD space available).

    b) If I bother to do that and move the main data file and my automated backup files onto that new HFS+ internal partition, I presume that if I ever tried to upgrade the internal HD to High Sierra it would not leave the internal partition as HFS+, but would still make the entire HD APFS and I'd be out of luck.  So...

    c) If instead I keep an HFS+ partition on an external drive and keep my main data file and my automated backup files onto that, is it correct that I could be logged into the main (new or updated with High Sierra) computer running QM2007 and it would just "find", Open on launch and backup on Quit the previous data file?  (I presume the first time I'd have to tell it where to look, yes?)  LOL!

    2. My Office

    I'm having to finally replace my much older iMac at work with a brand new one ordered with a fusion drive.  I have zero experience working with a fusion drive, and the new Mac comes with High Sierra already installed.  I have not even opened the box yet, but need to start setting this up this weekend.

    Am I understanding correctly here that I could still keep the QM2007 main data file and automated backup files in the new Fusion HD and run with no problem?  Or should I also run this from an external HD on an HFS+ partition to be safe?

    Thanks in advance for any responses!

    Arlette... with QM07, you are using 10+ year old software for which you will definitely not get any kind of updates or support. And QM07 is almost certainly going to stop working entirely in the next macOS after High Sierra. Therefore, you are stuck never updating beyond High Sierra (unless you run it in a virtual machine or a dedicated older computer). 

    With QM18+ the difference is that if you are running post-subscription and some time later need to update it, you can always resubscribe. That's not an option with QM07. Also, QM18+ will likely run on the next macOS without updates.

    That said, for most machines, you can downgrade your MacOS to Sierra if you wish to do that. Google it for more info.

    You iMac with fusion drive is not updated by default to APFS, so the backup issues related to APFS should not affect that machine.
    Quicken Mac Subscription; Quicken Mac user since the early 90s
  • RickO
    RickO SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    edited January 2018
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    Arlette said:

    Hello - I have read all this with much appreciation as I've also been running QM2007 since its inception and, like many, live in terror of losing it.  Although from what I glean, I don't use the majority of the functions people seem to be worrying about.  I manually add to the registers, do no online connecting and the only Reports I really care about is the Income Statements.  Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc.  Ergo I'd like to keep my QM2007 as long as possible!

    I have two separate situations:

    1. My Home

    My home is on a 5 year old iMac running El Capitan at the moment, but I had a severe HD crash last weekend and seem to have solved it with a complete erase and reinstall of the OS (restoring from a bootable clone).  I do use TM for backups to a TC, but I also make a bootable clone once a week to an external HD (this is what saved me last weekend!)

    At some point, I will likely have to soon replace that Mac which will force the use of High Sierra (as the new ones come with it).

    Just so I am clear from all the posts above: 

    a) Can I partition the existing HFS+ internal drive without losing any of my current set up? (I have 3/4s of HD space available).

    b) If I bother to do that and move the main data file and my automated backup files onto that new HFS+ internal partition, I presume that if I ever tried to upgrade the internal HD to High Sierra it would not leave the internal partition as HFS+, but would still make the entire HD APFS and I'd be out of luck.  So...

    c) If instead I keep an HFS+ partition on an external drive and keep my main data file and my automated backup files onto that, is it correct that I could be logged into the main (new or updated with High Sierra) computer running QM2007 and it would just "find", Open on launch and backup on Quit the previous data file?  (I presume the first time I'd have to tell it where to look, yes?)  LOL!

    2. My Office

    I'm having to finally replace my much older iMac at work with a brand new one ordered with a fusion drive.  I have zero experience working with a fusion drive, and the new Mac comes with High Sierra already installed.  I have not even opened the box yet, but need to start setting this up this weekend.

    Am I understanding correctly here that I could still keep the QM2007 main data file and automated backup files in the new Fusion HD and run with no problem?  Or should I also run this from an external HD on an HFS+ partition to be safe?

    Thanks in advance for any responses!

    tmplee... Since QM18 has been out less than a year, nobody's subscription is yet expired. So we won't know that for some time. 
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  • smayer97
    smayer97 SuperUser ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
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    Arlette said:

    Hello - I have read all this with much appreciation as I've also been running QM2007 since its inception and, like many, live in terror of losing it.  Although from what I glean, I don't use the majority of the functions people seem to be worrying about.  I manually add to the registers, do no online connecting and the only Reports I really care about is the Income Statements.  Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc.  Ergo I'd like to keep my QM2007 as long as possible!

    I have two separate situations:

    1. My Home

    My home is on a 5 year old iMac running El Capitan at the moment, but I had a severe HD crash last weekend and seem to have solved it with a complete erase and reinstall of the OS (restoring from a bootable clone).  I do use TM for backups to a TC, but I also make a bootable clone once a week to an external HD (this is what saved me last weekend!)

    At some point, I will likely have to soon replace that Mac which will force the use of High Sierra (as the new ones come with it).

    Just so I am clear from all the posts above: 

    a) Can I partition the existing HFS+ internal drive without losing any of my current set up? (I have 3/4s of HD space available).

    b) If I bother to do that and move the main data file and my automated backup files onto that new HFS+ internal partition, I presume that if I ever tried to upgrade the internal HD to High Sierra it would not leave the internal partition as HFS+, but would still make the entire HD APFS and I'd be out of luck.  So...

    c) If instead I keep an HFS+ partition on an external drive and keep my main data file and my automated backup files onto that, is it correct that I could be logged into the main (new or updated with High Sierra) computer running QM2007 and it would just "find", Open on launch and backup on Quit the previous data file?  (I presume the first time I'd have to tell it where to look, yes?)  LOL!

    2. My Office

    I'm having to finally replace my much older iMac at work with a brand new one ordered with a fusion drive.  I have zero experience working with a fusion drive, and the new Mac comes with High Sierra already installed.  I have not even opened the box yet, but need to start setting this up this weekend.

    Am I understanding correctly here that I could still keep the QM2007 main data file and automated backup files in the new Fusion HD and run with no problem?  Or should I also run this from an external HD on an HFS+ partition to be safe?

    Thanks in advance for any responses!

    1 First, you only need to partition and have a HFS+ formatted drive if you really want the automated backup feature to work.


    a) yes, Disk Utility can create a new partition without losing existing data (but always have a full backup before proceeding just in case)

    b) When upgrading to High Sierra, supported boot volume(s) get converted to APFS automatically (these include SSDs and some hard drives, but last I heard not all hard drives and not Fusion drives, yet). 

    That said, if you pay attention to the upgrade process, there is the option to turn off the auto re-format of the drive to APFS. What is not clear is if it attempts to format ALL drives it finds or only the boot drive. I have no direct experience with this.

    c) yes...just configure as needed to actual desired destination

    2. again, not sure what the latest is but AFAIK APFS does not support Fusion drives, yet.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

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  • RickO
    RickO SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
    edited January 2018
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    Arlette said:

    Hello - I have read all this with much appreciation as I've also been running QM2007 since its inception and, like many, live in terror of losing it.  Although from what I glean, I don't use the majority of the functions people seem to be worrying about.  I manually add to the registers, do no online connecting and the only Reports I really care about is the Income Statements.  Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc.  Ergo I'd like to keep my QM2007 as long as possible!

    I have two separate situations:

    1. My Home

    My home is on a 5 year old iMac running El Capitan at the moment, but I had a severe HD crash last weekend and seem to have solved it with a complete erase and reinstall of the OS (restoring from a bootable clone).  I do use TM for backups to a TC, but I also make a bootable clone once a week to an external HD (this is what saved me last weekend!)

    At some point, I will likely have to soon replace that Mac which will force the use of High Sierra (as the new ones come with it).

    Just so I am clear from all the posts above: 

    a) Can I partition the existing HFS+ internal drive without losing any of my current set up? (I have 3/4s of HD space available).

    b) If I bother to do that and move the main data file and my automated backup files onto that new HFS+ internal partition, I presume that if I ever tried to upgrade the internal HD to High Sierra it would not leave the internal partition as HFS+, but would still make the entire HD APFS and I'd be out of luck.  So...

    c) If instead I keep an HFS+ partition on an external drive and keep my main data file and my automated backup files onto that, is it correct that I could be logged into the main (new or updated with High Sierra) computer running QM2007 and it would just "find", Open on launch and backup on Quit the previous data file?  (I presume the first time I'd have to tell it where to look, yes?)  LOL!

    2. My Office

    I'm having to finally replace my much older iMac at work with a brand new one ordered with a fusion drive.  I have zero experience working with a fusion drive, and the new Mac comes with High Sierra already installed.  I have not even opened the box yet, but need to start setting this up this weekend.

    Am I understanding correctly here that I could still keep the QM2007 main data file and automated backup files in the new Fusion HD and run with no problem?  Or should I also run this from an external HD on an HFS+ partition to be safe?

    Thanks in advance for any responses!

    HDD and Fusion drives are not automatically converted to APFS on High Sierra install. There is a way to bypass the SSD conversion:

    http://osxdaily.com/2017/10/17/how-skip-apfs-macos-high-sierra/
    Quicken Mac Subscription; Quicken Mac user since the early 90s
  • Unknown
    Unknown Member
    edited February 2018
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    Arlette said:

    Hello - I have read all this with much appreciation as I've also been running QM2007 since its inception and, like many, live in terror of losing it.  Although from what I glean, I don't use the majority of the functions people seem to be worrying about.  I manually add to the registers, do no online connecting and the only Reports I really care about is the Income Statements.  Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc.  Ergo I'd like to keep my QM2007 as long as possible!

    I have two separate situations:

    1. My Home

    My home is on a 5 year old iMac running El Capitan at the moment, but I had a severe HD crash last weekend and seem to have solved it with a complete erase and reinstall of the OS (restoring from a bootable clone).  I do use TM for backups to a TC, but I also make a bootable clone once a week to an external HD (this is what saved me last weekend!)

    At some point, I will likely have to soon replace that Mac which will force the use of High Sierra (as the new ones come with it).

    Just so I am clear from all the posts above: 

    a) Can I partition the existing HFS+ internal drive without losing any of my current set up? (I have 3/4s of HD space available).

    b) If I bother to do that and move the main data file and my automated backup files onto that new HFS+ internal partition, I presume that if I ever tried to upgrade the internal HD to High Sierra it would not leave the internal partition as HFS+, but would still make the entire HD APFS and I'd be out of luck.  So...

    c) If instead I keep an HFS+ partition on an external drive and keep my main data file and my automated backup files onto that, is it correct that I could be logged into the main (new or updated with High Sierra) computer running QM2007 and it would just "find", Open on launch and backup on Quit the previous data file?  (I presume the first time I'd have to tell it where to look, yes?)  LOL!

    2. My Office

    I'm having to finally replace my much older iMac at work with a brand new one ordered with a fusion drive.  I have zero experience working with a fusion drive, and the new Mac comes with High Sierra already installed.  I have not even opened the box yet, but need to start setting this up this weekend.

    Am I understanding correctly here that I could still keep the QM2007 main data file and automated backup files in the new Fusion HD and run with no problem?  Or should I also run this from an external HD on an HFS+ partition to be safe?

    Thanks in advance for any responses!

    RickO & smayer97: Thank you both for your responses.  I guess the way I see it, staying with only Sierra is just putting off the inevitable upgrade that will likely be required in the not-to-long future, and other than QM2007, I have to other real issues, so I'd rather prepare for them now rather than relax and discover my fusion drive converted during a future OS update.

    I can do this by sticking with Option #3 in my first post and keeping this on its own external HD partition that remains HFS+.

    This will buy me some time to later try QM2017 or 18...   Also I didn't mention that at the office I run Parallels with Windows and Quickbooks, so I'd always have that option there, but the small Quicken file I manage there for someone doesn't warrant a new QB account, so if I can get by with the QM2007 that would be great!

    Thank you both so much again!  Wish me luck :)
  • Unknown
    Unknown Member
    edited February 2018
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    Arlette said:

    Hello - I have read all this with much appreciation as I've also been running QM2007 since its inception and, like many, live in terror of losing it.  Although from what I glean, I don't use the majority of the functions people seem to be worrying about.  I manually add to the registers, do no online connecting and the only Reports I really care about is the Income Statements.  Frankly the idea that I would now have to pay Intuit an annual subscription fee to get security updates that should always be free to desktop software is beyond ludicrous if I'm not using their online server features for online banking etc.  Ergo I'd like to keep my QM2007 as long as possible!

    I have two separate situations:

    1. My Home

    My home is on a 5 year old iMac running El Capitan at the moment, but I had a severe HD crash last weekend and seem to have solved it with a complete erase and reinstall of the OS (restoring from a bootable clone).  I do use TM for backups to a TC, but I also make a bootable clone once a week to an external HD (this is what saved me last weekend!)

    At some point, I will likely have to soon replace that Mac which will force the use of High Sierra (as the new ones come with it).

    Just so I am clear from all the posts above: 

    a) Can I partition the existing HFS+ internal drive without losing any of my current set up? (I have 3/4s of HD space available).

    b) If I bother to do that and move the main data file and my automated backup files onto that new HFS+ internal partition, I presume that if I ever tried to upgrade the internal HD to High Sierra it would not leave the internal partition as HFS+, but would still make the entire HD APFS and I'd be out of luck.  So...

    c) If instead I keep an HFS+ partition on an external drive and keep my main data file and my automated backup files onto that, is it correct that I could be logged into the main (new or updated with High Sierra) computer running QM2007 and it would just "find", Open on launch and backup on Quit the previous data file?  (I presume the first time I'd have to tell it where to look, yes?)  LOL!

    2. My Office

    I'm having to finally replace my much older iMac at work with a brand new one ordered with a fusion drive.  I have zero experience working with a fusion drive, and the new Mac comes with High Sierra already installed.  I have not even opened the box yet, but need to start setting this up this weekend.

    Am I understanding correctly here that I could still keep the QM2007 main data file and automated backup files in the new Fusion HD and run with no problem?  Or should I also run this from an external HD on an HFS+ partition to be safe?

    Thanks in advance for any responses!

    RickO & smayer97: Thank you both for your responses.  I guess the way I see it, staying with only Sierra is just putting off the inevitable upgrade that will likely be required in the not-to-long future, and other than QM2007, I have to other real issues, so I'd rather prepare for them now rather than relax and discover my fusion drive converted during a future OS update.

    I can do this by sticking with Option #3 in my first post and keeping this on its own external HD partition that remains HFS+.

    This will buy me some time to later try QM2017 or 18...   Also I didn't mention that at the office I run Parallels with Windows and Quickbooks, so I'd always have that option there, but the small Quicken file I manage there for someone doesn't warrant a new QB account, so if I can get by with the QM2007 that would be great!

    Thank you both so much again!  Wish me luck :)
  • Unknown
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    edited February 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

    Q2007 opens but the data file consistently sends a message "not able to load file." As others have progressed to at least the inability to make a backup, what is the secret to loading the data file? Thanks.
  • smayer97
    smayer97 SuperUser ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

    It appears you may have a different problem that is not related to High Sierra compatibility. See if these FAQs help: (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

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  • Unknown
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    edited January 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

    Thanks for the links to the FAQs. I did the re-indexing with no luck re opening the file in High Sierra. Similarly, I tried the show package contents approach with no results. The file behaves fine in MacOS 10.10.5. Q2007 opens in 10.13.2 but the data file refuses to open. All of my backups were created in 10.10.x and seem to produce similar results. 
    Any other ideas would be greatly appreciated.
  • tmplee
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    edited January 2018
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    So far, early reports suggest that QM2007 works with High Sierra. One exception that has surfaced is backups. 

    As reported in this thread and this thread, it seems that QM2007 generates error messages when trying to create an automated backup, refusing to create one. This has only been reported using the new APFS drive format so far. No reports have confirmed if the same problem is occurring with HFS+.

    Also, no reports have been made yet regarding manual backups using either the File > Backup to Disk... or the File > Save a Copy... menu option.

    (If you find this reply helpful, please be sure to click "Like", so others will know, thanks.)

    Did you move or copy the data file from one machine to another before, or possibly one partition or drive to another, before you tried to open it under 10.13.2?  That could be the problem.  I find that if I want to move a quicken data file from one machine to another, using a simple Finder move/copy, it won't open on the second machine.  I believe it has something to do with permissions or extended attributes getting garbled in a simple copy.  I have to compress the file on the first machine, move the zipped file to the second machine, and then unzip it on the second machine.  I don't know if that same problem arises in just moving it from one drive or partition to another on the same machine.
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    edited February 2018
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    NanB said:

    What are the steps to doing a manual backup? Under "file" I only see "Backup To Disc", "Restore From Disc" or "Save A Copy".

    For those of us that are barely computer literate, would you be willing to give a step-by-step for this manual backup?  I've tried looking in my finder file, but the most recent dates I see under Quicken are January 8, 2018.  I have made entries today, that show when I open my tile, but I get the "unable to erase partly-copied files" when I try to save a copy and auto backup says it is not able to automatically back up my file.  I do have an external hard drive that I use to backup my computer, when prompted.   Thank you for any assistance you might be able to give!
  • smayer97
    smayer97 SuperUser ✭✭✭✭✭
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    NanB said:

    What are the steps to doing a manual backup? Under "file" I only see "Backup To Disc", "Restore From Disc" or "Save A Copy".

    If you are getting these errors, this suggests that your data file is stored on an APFS formatted drive.

    If your external hard drive is still formatted as HFS+ you could opt to move your data file there permanently, then change your Quicken Preferences to save the backup files there too. 

    To check the drive format, simply highlight the drive and select Get Info. HFS+ format will be listed as Mac OS Extended. 

    If you choose to keep your data file on your main drive that is formatted as APFS, then you will need to turn off the automatic backup in the Preferences settings.

    As long as the data file is stored on an APFS formatted drive, you will most likely not be able to use the Save A Copy (some users can but results seem to vary). So to perform a manual backup, you do this in the Finder...find the data file, select it and choose File > Duplicate (or use CMD-D). 

    If you use Time Machine, you do not really need to do anything...the default settings save a copy of the data file every hour.

    If you need guidance on any of these, just say with which you need help.

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    jacobs SuperUser, Mac Beta Beta
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    NanB said:

    What are the steps to doing a manual backup? Under "file" I only see "Backup To Disc", "Restore From Disc" or "Save A Copy".

    @smayer97, I think @HFG is asking how to find the Quicken 2007 data file.

    @HFG: One way is to, in the Finder, for File > Find (Command-F) and search for ".qdfm". That is the file extension for Quicken 2007 files, so this will find all the .qdfm files on your hard drive -- one of which should be the one last opened today, which is your live data file. (The only problem here is that some really, really old Quicken files might not have the .qdfm extension; I don't want to complicate this post with all the details, so if you can't find your data file with the step above, post again and we can talk about other ways to locate your data file.)

    So once you find your data file, you can make a copy of it the same way you'd copy any file in the finder: click on it once to highlight it, and do File > Duplicate (Command-D). I suggest making a new folder called "Quicken Manual Backups" or something along those lines, renaming your new copy of the data file with the date, and dragging it into the folder of backups. That is, let's say your new copy of the data file is called "MyQuickenData copy.qdfm". Change the file name to something like "2018-02-01 Quicken Backup.qdfm", and drag it into your backup folder.

    You also wrote something that puzzled me: "I do have an external hard drive that I use to backup my computer, when prompted." It's great that you have an external hard drive for backups. But I'm wondering what is running that prompts you to backup, and what you do. If you were using Apple's Time Machine, it runs completely in the background without any prompts, so I'm assuming you're using something else. It would help to know what backup program you are using. Is is called CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper... or something else. Or if you don't know, what is the prompt that you get?
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