Is Quicken for Mac 2007 (QM2007) Compatible with High Sierra (macOS 10.13)?

Mike_jMGS · February 2018

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Unknown · February 2018

Thank you, would you happen to you know if this addresses the auto save problem? I only use quicken for basics, mainly account registers. I don't even download or autoload account info from the internet...enter manually, as I would on a paper register.

smayer97 · February 2018

The auto-save problem is isolated to QM2007, since support for it was stopped over a year ago.

BUT if you choose that route, be sure to read the following:
https://getsatisfaction.com/quickencommunity/topics/quicken-for-mac-2007-and-quicken-for-mac-2018-in...

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jacobs · February 2018

HFG, your question is akin mixing apples and oranges.

Quick review: Quicken 2007 still works okay on Macs which run the High Sierra operating system except that the auto-save feature does not work on hard drives which High Sierra updates to the new APFS file system. For anyone who has legitimate reasons for sticking with Quicken 2007 instead of updating to Quicken 2018, this is a minor issues that is easily worked around. There are several possible workarounds, including (1) getting an inexpensive external hard drive and moving the Quicken 2007 data file to that drive or (2) turning off the auto-backup in Quicken Preferences, and implementing your own strategy for manually creating backup copies. (There are other options, too, which are a little more technically complicated, so I'll stick to those two now intentionally.) This long thread offers many detailed suggestions about how to do either.

Now, to answer your question, Quicken 2018 does not have the auto-save problem. But Quicken 2018 is a significantly different program than Quicken 2007. It has been re-written from scratch to work optimally with the modern Mac operating system. It is better in some ways, but it also lacks some of the functionality that some Quicken 2007 users consider valuable or crucial. It looks different, and there's a bit of a learning curve for Quicken 2007 users. Some users appreciate the improvements; some users are frustrated that it doesn't look and work as if it were just a minor upgrade to Quicken 2007.

If you purchase Quicken 2018, you get a membership or subscription for 12 months, 24 months or 27 months, depending where you buy it. Your subscription can automatically renew, but you can also have it not do so. As long as you have a subscription, you can download transactions (which you've noted you don't need), you get updates to the software for bug fixes and new features, and you can access Quicken Support should you need to. If you let your subscription expire, you lose those benefits, but you can continue to use Quicken manually entering your data indefinitely.

If Quicken 2007 suits you, and you're not having any problems with crashes or database corruption, and you only need the basic features you mention, you should be fine continuing to use Quicken 2007 for the time being. Just follow one of the paths to bypass the issue with auto-backups not working and carry on. But if you do so, know that one of the next Apple updates to the macOS, either this October or next year, will likely break Quicken 2007 completely -- so you need to either commit to not upgrading your macOS or eventually upgrading your Quicken.

smayer97 · February 2018

And to all...let's please keep this thread on topic...QM2007 and High Sierra....

If you have any questions about QM2018, etc, please research in this forum or start a new thread...

Unknown · February 2018

I seem to have made the auto backup and backup work with Quicken 2007 and Apple OS High Sierra. What I did was copy my data file from the Quicken Application folder to my Quicken Backups which is on an external drive. I the opened this backup file with quicken 2007 quit the program and Quicken created a new backup file and updated the data file in the application folder. I then opened Quicken 2007 and quit it and everything appears to work.

The next test will be to reboot and see if this is still the case.

Unknown · February 2018

Not quite correct. The following works. Put your data file on a non APFS formatted disk Thumb drive etc. Open this file. when you quit you can save to another non APFS drive. Everything seems to be automatic. If those drives are seperate you will have a backup and the working copy. I suspect the proper solution is to have a partition on your main drive that is non APFS,

Unknown · February 2018

Fix that appears to work. (Do at your own risk) I added a non APFS partition to my active boot drive with Disk Utility (20Gb Mac OS Extended (Journaled)) partition. I then copied my data file to this partition and opened it with Quicken 2007. Quit Q 2007 and saved backup to external drive. Now when I open Q 2007 it uses the data from the non APFS partition and auto saves etc.

Unknown · February 2018

Fix that appears to work. (Do at your own risk) I added a non APFS
partition to my active boot drive with Disk Utility (20Gb Mac OS
Extended (Journaled)) partition. I then copied my data file to this
partition and opened it with Quicken 2007. Quit Q 2007 and saved backup
to external drive. Now when I open Q 2007 it uses the data from the non
APFS partition and auto saves etc.

Unknown · February 2018

Fix that appears to work. (Do at your own risk) I added a non APFS
partition to my active boot drive with Disk Utility (20Gb Mac OS
Extended (Journaled)) partition. I then copied my data file to this
partition and opened it with Quicken 2007. Quit Q 2007 and saved backup
to external drive. Now when I open Q 2007 it uses the data from the non
APFS partition and auto saves etc.

Unknown · February 2018

Fix that appears to work. (Do at your own risk) I added a non APFS
partition to my active boot drive with Disk Utility (20Gb Mac OS
Extended (Journaled)) partition. I then copied my data file to this
partition and opened it with Quicken 2007. Quit Q 2007 and saved backup
to external drive. Now when I open Q 2007 it uses the data from the non
APFS partition and auto saves etc.

Unknown · February 2018

Fix that appears to work. (Do at your own risk) I added a non APFS
partition to my active boot drive with Disk Utility (20Gb Mac OS
Extended (Journaled)) partition. I then copied my data file to this
partition and opened it with Quicken 2007. Quit Q 2007 and saved backup
to external drive. Now when I open Q 2007 it uses the data from the non
APFS partition and auto saves etc.

jacobs · February 2018

Yes, as documented by others in this thread, as long as your data file is on an HFS+ (Mac OS Extended) volume, auto-backup will work. It is possible to create such a partition on your APFS hard drive, as you've done. We don't know for sure that Apple won't automatically "upgrade" such volumes/partitions to APFS in the future -- but even if they do, at worst it will knock out Quicken 2007 auto-backups again.

smayer97 · February 2018

Yes, as summarized in the posts above here:
https://getsatisfaction.com/quickencommunity/topics/is-quicken-for-mac-2007-qm2007-compatible-with-h...

and here:
https://getsatisfaction.com/quickencommunity/topics/is-quicken-for-mac-2007-qm2007-compatible-with-h...

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Gotom · February 2018

This works for me:
An AFPS formatted main drive with QM2007 (Build 24.937.100) in App Folder (along with QM 2018 for learning, tracking purposes) and an external HFS+ drive (formatted with Disk Utility) connected by USB 3.0 to Mac USB port. Save a Copy allows you to determine the location/drive (place copy on
the external drive). I begin sessions by clicking the file on the external
drive, which instantly invokes QM2007 on the APFS drive, and there's everything. **** for where the original data file is I know not as I simply
work off the backup copy (and I back that up to a third drive).
Hope this helps, Tom

smayer97 · February 2018

BTW, where is your main data file stored?

Gotom · February 2018

That's a very good question. Saving a Copy puts a so-called "Backup" file
on the external drive - Get Info identifies it as a Quicken Data File - and (truncated) text on the file title continues as . . (orig.qdfm A Finder Search (not Spotlight) reveals no such file on my SSD. I think this is a result of not saving the original - AutoSave being disabled . . .

Gotom · February 2018

Now I've discovered a problem - I can't edit either the Memo field or Amount. Is some kind of file maintenance required?

smayer97 · February 2018

Odd...first time heard of this...if this persists even after quitting and restarting Quicken and/or your computer, I would try a file re-indexing...CMD-OPT-B with the Account list open (always be sure to have a backup before trying).

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Gotom · February 2018

Now I've discovered a problem - I can't edit fields. Trying file maintenance.

Problem alleviated - but returns. This is screwy behavior I've not seen before with QM-2007. Evidently there are deeper compatibility problems under High Sierra than just the Save issue. Opening, closing have no effect on it - field editing has always been supported. Further, exporting a file to Excel results in just a fragment of the file. It looks like QM-2018 merits more consideration.

smayer97 · February 2018

I see you commented above about not being able to edit fields (https://getsatisfaction.com/quickencommunity/topics/is-quicken-for-mac-2007-qm2007-compatible-with-h...)

Just to keep all comments on this issue together, let's continue this in the sub-thread, here....

I am wondering if this may be a Permissions problem. The following may reset the Permissions on the internal files of your data file (which is really a package of single files).

Try archiving your data file--Right-Click on the data file and select Compress. Then unarchive it in a new location and play with that copy for a bit.

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Unknown · February 2018

To Gotom - I'm running QM2007 on a new Mac with HS, and APFS drive. I have the QM2007 App in the main Application folder on the Mac (Mac HD>Applications) and I have my .qdfm file and my backup folder on an external HFS+ drive. I just launch Quicken from the alias I have in my Dock and it opens right up where I left off. I have tried making a test entry, saving, changing the memo, saving, changing the amounts, etc and I'm not having the issue you describe.

Gotom · February 2018

Hi Arlete - reconstructing index headers (Cmd-B) got it working again - I can now edit fields. My setup's the same as yours - I start from the data file on the HFS+ external drive - QM07 in Apps on the APFS drive. But the bottom line is I don't trust the method even though it seems alright. I can't afford a problem cropping up outta da' blue so I bought a subscription to Quicken 2018 and will run in parallel (there seems to be no problem with having both open simultaneously). It's not as pretty as the old Quicken and reporting with 2018 is a whole different animal - there's a def. learning curve, but taking my time, checking both as I go with no plans to switch right now. Good luck, Tom
p.s. Don't forget to make a safety copy of the HFS+ file somewhere . .

Unknown · March 2018

Upgraded to High Sierra, My Quicken 2007 was upgraded to 2011. HS removed all of my 2011 information. I do have backups, done on a regular basis, however, Quicken 2016 on my Mac doesn't recognize the backups and on an import I get file error. Any help appreciated. P.S. Apple is trying to figure out why HS changed my permissions to read only for a lot of my files.

jacobs · March 2018

Michael, could you clarify: you wrote that Quicken 2007 was upgraded to 2011. there was no Quicken 2011; did you mean to type 2016, which you mention later? (Quicken 2016 wasn't being sold since high Sierra came out, which is why I'm confused.) Is that what you have, Quicken 2016? I just wanted to make sure we understood the versions before offering some suggestions...

317223 . · March 2018

Why does anyone perform auto or manual back ups when the time machine is doing the job? Unless high Sierra is also reformatting to Apple's File System, l don't believe so. I also use a back up service that should be independent of High Sierra. Am l correct? Haven't up up graded yet so what have I missed?

Unknown · May 2018

Does anyone have a solution for this problem tmplee mentions of quicken data files getting garbled on a simple move/copy? I had a failing hard drive, so I copied my Quicken 2007 data files to iCloud. Got a new hard drive, downloaded the files from iCloud, and now Quicken refuses to recognize them. Any ideas how I can recover from this situation?

tmplee · May 2018

I had/have a similar problem in just copying a Quicken 2007 file from one Mac (running Sierra) to another (running High Sierra.) (I don't remember if this is what you are referring to or not.) What I found that worked was to compress the file before transferring it and then uncompress the transferred file on the receiving side. I think someone commented that it probably has something to do with permissions, ACL's, and/or extended attributes. I keep meaning to try to copy a file and then zapping it with various utilities or command line tools to remove any "extra" attributes to see if that works, but I've never gotten around to it.

Jack Henriquez · May 2018

I am running QMac 2007 with APFS format. I am running Mac High Sierra (10.13.4), manual entries work fine with respect to Mut Funds, but automatic backup will not take place anymore. I wonder if I switch to QMac 2017, if this will work for manual entries of Mut funds and start automatic backup again. Does anyone know? And if so, where can I pick up a opy of the QMac Deluxe 2017?

smayer97 · May 2018

As stated throughout this thread, the way to get automatic backups to work with QM2007 is to create a HFS+ (MacOS Extended) partition or use an external drive with that format and store both the data file AND the backups there. The automatic backups will work. Or you can simply rely on MacOS Time Machine.

If you want to "upgrade" to QM2017 or newer, you will have to search for it as it is not available from Quicken. But also do your research before the "upgrade", as there are MANY differences, as QM2017 is NOT an upgrade directly from QM2007 but a new software based on QEM (circa 2010) and there are still many features missing, so may not meet your needs. (I have posted in this forum MANY times showing the differences).

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